[TheForge] WHICH Harris torch for propane? (was: All States propane torch)

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

Hey Rev Frost:
The 450,000 BTU is presumably per hour,  and comes from the AS promo video on their site.
Poking around the web, most rosebud ratings i saw were about 1/2 that.
The site refers to the propane regulator as a "demand regulator", if i remember right.
But i think most all pressure gas regulators are demand regulators, like SCUBA regulators.
I'm not sure what the difference is between that and what you refer to as a propane"meter" is.
Help me on that please.
Clyde's Harris guy didn't seem bothered about the difference 
and Jim Binnion seems satisfied with his 2 stage reg.
Does it really need to be a special regulator to work optimally?


On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Jerry Frost wrote:

The only gaugeless reg is the propane meter, though the oxy only has a little popup gauge and is set by a vernier. When you say 450,000BTU in what time is that? You hear a lot of marketing jazz that doesn't really stand up, for example, saying your furnace burner puts out 100,000BTU doesn't mean anything unless it's 100,000BTUs/hr.  Of course I may have just missed it, I haven't been following the thread very closely. I've been waiting for the BONANZA!! to jump in. <grin>

Truth is Propane has more BTUs than folk think, it isn't as HOT as acet but it has more BTU's /gl. I know I can crank my propane forge to melt the fire brick liner hot and keep it there for 6-7 hrs on less than 2 gl. of propane and that's running atmospheric air, not oxy. The hard fire brick I use is 3,000f+ working temp and I can melt it in my forge. My rose bud will slag it in a few seconds, the surface ripply, glassy and being blown around by the flame while the the heat hasn't penetrated 1/2".

Sometimes I wish I'd taken that dealership when Lyle offered it, I might've been able to answer some of this without speculating so much. Oh well, I'll continue to watch and hope for the best.

Jer


On 7/17/2013 12:58 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> My guess is that the Gauge-less regulator format is just AllStates being cheap and maximizing profits.
> It seems probable that their present graceless greed will  finish pushing them out of torches and into lawnmowers and ammo.
> I was way less than delighted after my 2 phone conversations with them too.
> I'm still not clear on, if the official Allstates  propane regulator is significantly different, in terms of  on demand propane volume,
> than the other regulators listed here.
> Jim B reported that switching to a 2 stage reg made a difference.
> If this puppy is going to put out 450,000 BTU...It's gonna suck a lot of gas!
> Perhaps one of those big , old 10" diameter, commercial propane regs, with great big flow seats, is what we need?
> 
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Jerry Frost wrote:
> Thanks Clyde. After having Allstates repair one of my regulators I'd rather not do business with them anymore if I can help it. the attitude was just too "take it or leave" it for my taste. Lyle and I got along great but maybe that was because I sold a lot of torch sets for them. Oh well I'm glad to have the info to replace components when these wear out.
> 
> How's the Paleometallurgy in the McMillen swamp going?
> 
> Jer
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2013 5:54 AM, Clyde Wynia wrote:
>> Here is a copy of the email I got from Harris marketing guy, kingsley.
>> Number 7 in the list of regulators should be the right one.
>> 
>> Clyde,
>> 

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