[TheForge] nuclear

Wed Jan 16 13:06:48 EST 2013

I can only go by what I know firsthand- and around here, government  
employees do NOT get paid more than private industry.
In most cases, they get paid less.
What they do get, though, is more job security, and sometimes, but far  
from always, benefits.
My schoolteacher friends, for example, have miserable 401k retirement  
plans, and they pay big monthly deductions for their health insurance-  
hundreds of dollars a month.
Other gov employees sometimes still have real pensions- which are  
virtually nonexistent in private industry now.
Almost all the post office employees in my rural area are part time,  
hourly employees.
Full time Fed Ex or UPS drivers do much better.

ries

On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:02 PM, dann at wctatel.net wrote:

The disparity between the blue color workers and lower level white color
workers used to be close to nil.  My long retired machinist father in  
law
working in a non-union shop once earned a healthy wage.

Most State & Federal employees, I'd think are primarily white color
workers. In the "Private Sector" Executives / Upper management  have  
seen
their wages sky rocket in the last two decades, while blue color wages
have been pretty stagnant.

I read the USATODAY story with great skeptacism.  I have become pretty
jaded. So many times when I start digging, I find that statistics are
selectively  skimmed to prove some "think tank" agenda.  I read a story
how the Toyota Prius was more expensive to run than a HUMVEE.  Then got
down to the nuts and bolts of how the article was skewed with an agenda
against  the prius and in favor of the humvee,

Oh .. and  25/ 30 years ago, I was a county executive for USDA for just
short of 8 years. I supervised a comparable number of employees, several
times the volume of farmer-clients, than the grain elevator managers  
in my
area, for well under half their annual salary.

Funny point was,  a decade later, while sitting as a board director  
for my
electric COOP hiring a new manager, I noted that one of the applicants  
had
held the same USDA level job that I once had.  The pay at that time was
still less than half what we were offering to our prospective manager.

Dann

>
>
> "Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector
> workers
> in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of  
> federal
> data finds"
> http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal- 
> pay_N.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy Gladish
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:53 PM
> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [TheForge] nuclear
>
> Andy, I totally get your frustration, and I think you're looking at  
> the
> symptoms and not at the disease: Agreed, the government has the  
> ability to
> delay projects that would be beneficial, but when you Follow Da Money
> there's almost always a private (I guess publicly held companies can  
> be
> called "private") entity behind it.
> With the exception of the top tier of elected officials, earnings for
> Federal employees are in almost every case below what private industry
> would
> pay- where's the incentive for all the hostile action you attribute to
> them?
> The "mental illness" argument is the same one that anti-gun people are
> using
> to discredit gun owners, and it's equally untrue in this case. There  
> are
> some tweaky folks in every group, but mostly people get up in the  
> morning
> and do their best.
> I totally agree that Congress is corrupt and a liability- the reason  
> is
> that
> they're controlled by conflicting private entities.
> Here's the first principle of understanding this stuff- Follow Da  
> Money.
> The only people making bank from your taxes are the private entities  
> that
> benefit from controlling society.
>
>
> --
> Andy Gladish, Element Fe Metal Studio
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>
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>
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> human
> life. -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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