[TheForge] sticking stents in veins ( was Re: PFO closure and swinging a hammer )

[wmullett at bright.net]

Interesting -  So that others are not mislead.

Inferior is the NAME - not a quality.  And the article recommends removing the temporary devices when they are no longer needed.

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:28:26 -0500 (CDT)
>From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>)
>Subject: [TheForge] sticking stents in veins ( was Re: PFO closure and swinging a hammer )  
>To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>
>hello bruce;
>
>On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Bruce . wrote:
>
>> Hmmm.   I don't know much about the subject, and I'm not sure what's a
>> "plug" for a heart would be like. 0
>>
>> I don't like the idea of putting things like stents (which look like a
>> very involved basket twist or Chinese finger trap, but a lot smaller)
>> in blood vessels (to enlarge the bore) because of the potential for
>> subsequent clot formation and possible resulting strokes, heart
>> attacks, etc.  They may have no better choice in emergencies, but I
>> don't like it.  Again -- not my expertise.
>>
>
>i agree with you. the fda also agrees with you.
>
>http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Safety/AlertsandNotices/ucm221676.htm
>
>i spent yesterday at the hospital on this very issue. hematology doctors
>called the vascular doctor on the "carpet" over the inferior vena cava
>(IVC) filter that has been in me since the head-on-collision in 2007.
>the one hematology doctor calculated that the filter has been in me
>approximately 5 years 2 months. the particular model that is in me is
>well known to break apart even in short term use. as the vascular doctor
>admitted; "if the blood clots do not kill the patient that IVC filter
>may kill the patient." the vascular doctor has no good answer as to why
>the filter was not removed in early 2008. he also had no good answer as
>to why he did not revisit the issue of removal when the fda alert was
>issued in 2010.
>
>so now they need to contact a doctor in pennsylvania, who seems to be
>the only doctor in the usa, who has an excellent track record for being
>able to remove these IVC filters even if they have been in well past the
>recommended timeframe. as to whether they send me to him or they bring
>him here, i voted for sending me there. i would much rather have the
>doctor using the tools he is used to using in an operating room he is
>used to than a completely unfamilar medical environment. when someone is
>going to be going through the jugular vein to retrieve a IVC filter,
>which looks like a daddy-long-legs spider, which may have become
>embedded in the IVC, i want the odds in their favour. i would perfer
>that the IVC is not torn in half or torn at all since that would
>probably mean i would bleed out in seconds. that would really suck.
>
>>
>> But I for sure wouldn't have the job done by a geologist....  Did you
>> send this email from one of those phones that thinks it can spell
>> better than you can?
>>
>
>given some of the doctors i have had the displeasure of meeting in the
>past 16 years and have sued many of them for being nothing but a
>glorified butcher, i would probably feel better if a geologist was
>taking care of me. i have a cousin who is a veterinarian and i have asked
>him about medical issues before i have asked an medical doctor. i would
>trust my younger sister, an emergency room trauma nurse ( a & e trauma
>nurse ) to operate on me before some of the butchers i have met in the
>past 16 yrs.
>
>now some maybe wondering why risk taking it out. the hematology doctors
>feel that it is time to be taken off rat-poison (warfarin, a hay mold)
>since the probability of forming a blood clot in my legs is low.
>however, they cannot take me off warfarin with the IVC filter still in
>me because without warfarin a blood clot may form on the IVC filter
>causing a complete blockage of blood flow from the lower body back to
>the heart. that would be a bad thing. so as of yesterday, the reason i
>am taking warfarin has officially changed, it is now because some
>vascular doctor back in 2008 and again in 2010, decided it was ot his
>problem.
>
>a side note: the hematology doctors cleared me to fly anywhere i want.
>they no longer feel that flying is any higher a risk for me than for a
>"normal" person. i am glad that they do not consider me a "normal"
>person. being a "normal" person is such a one trick pony. boring. ;-)
>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Ron Childers <ron at munlaw.net> wrote:
>>> Hi, guys, I need to borrow your brains. My two strokes somewhat hampered
>>> my smithing for a little while and I am tired of having to eat rat
>>> poison (Coumadin). I want to have a plug put in the hole in my heart and
>>> would appreciate any advice. I only know one person (Leon County judge)
>>> and he said it worked well and he was able to resume his very active
>>> lifestyle in just a few days. My geologist is reluctant to do it because
>>> it is not a guarantee that it will do any good and mu heart is otherwise
>>> healthy. Has anyone had it done or know of anyone who has and how well
>>> it worked? Any input would be much appreciated. Ron C
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>-- 
>terry l. ridder ><>
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