[TheForge] The most effort for the least results

wmullett at bright.net wmullett at bright.net
Mon Dec 24 10:40:12 EST 2012 

What is a fully automatic?

If you look at the post I made last week, a rubber band turns the Bushmaster into an "automatic" and another post shows the gun was made with a stock that works like the rubber band does to make that weapon an automatic as well.

There is no reason to allow these guns - period.

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>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:46:04 -0200
>From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of Ries Niemi <ries at riesniemi.com>)
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] The most effort for the least results  
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>A similar crisis occurred in 1934.
>there had been repeated public machine gun murders, battles on city  
>streets, and massacres, and the public was just fed up.
>Hence, the National Firearms Act of 1934.
>
>Interestingly enough, they did not attempt to seize or confiscate  
>firearms.
>Instead, they declared that law abiding owners of machine guns, and a  
>couple of other categories of weapons, could register their existing  
>guns, keep them, and then would be required to pay a transfer tax upon  
>selling them, and the sale would be tracked.
>In 68, they modified this law to allow no more new guns to enter the  
>"transfer" pool.
>So there are a finite number, around a quarter million, legal full  
>auto weapons in circulation. If you want one, you can buy it, although  
>they are not cheap. Supply and demand- a capitalist notion that works  
>quite efficiently here.
>But they are still, by and large, about half the price of a new  
>harley, and I sure dont see any shortage of people with enough money  
>to buy a new harley out there.
>
>If they did something similar with specific, well defined weapons-  
>legalized existing ones, restricted sales of future ones- do you  
>really think 200-300 million firearms currently in circulation is too  
>few?
>
>Regardless of rumors, current actual homicides with ILLEGAL full auto  
>weapons are almost non-existent, and there have been something like  
>TWO homicides with legal ones in 80 years. So the law actually works-  
>it keeps the vast majority of fully automatic weapons out of the hands  
>of criminals, and yet allows legal ownership, depending, of course, on  
>State laws- I think five States prohibit full auto ownership.
>
>I cant see similar laws not working for fifty caliber sniper rifles,  
>high capacity semi-auto shotguns like the russian Saiga 12 ( an AK  
>looking gun with an 8 round banana clip of 12 gage shells- not exactly  
>common for duck hunting), or, yes, even AR's.
>
>ries
>
>
>On Dec 24, 2012, at 12:28 PM, <wmullett at bright.net>  
><wmullett at bright.net> wrote:
>
>I think some people are missing the point here.  Where do you draw the  
>line with the right to own guns according to the constitution?  - No  
>limits?
>
>What is the difference between handguns, rifles and shotguns vs RPG's,  
>shoulder fired missiles, machine guns and other automatic weapons?   
>Obviously there is a big difference and we already recognize that. The  
>latter are all weapons of war and all of them need to be restricted.
>
>Australia didn't put armed guards in every school.  Instead they  
>severely limited the ability to own weapons.  Their results are: “In  
>the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun  
>massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102  
>deaths,”  “There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur  
>laws.”
>
>We need to put and end to this foolishness.
>
>---- Original message ----
>> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 04:38:18 -0800
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net (on behalf of Andy Gladish <anjgladish at gmail.com 
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>> Subject: [TheForge] The most effort for the least results
>> To: "theforge at mailman.qth.net" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>> This is making me feel old: I remember when "Ban All Handguns" was a  
>> very
>> common headline. When was that, early 70's?
>> The current dogma (Banning "Assault Rifles" will make the country  
>> peaceful)
>> is so silly- I get that they creep people out, and I get that if it  
>> were to
>> prevent one mass murder it would be a good thing.
>> What kind of sense does it make to ban the gun that is LEAST LIKELY  
>> to be
>> used in homicide and suicide on any given day (That's according to  
>> the FBI,
>> but hey, what do they know, right?)
>>
>> Can we at least be honest with each other that banning them would  
>> barely
>> affect murder and suicide rates?
>> I'm not making this stuff up, look at the FBI Uniform Crime Report.
>>
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