[TheForge] Light bulbs and shop power

[Daniel T Hayes]

Try the following links:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Car_Connection_TWE.html


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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:07 PM
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Sorry, I don't have any cites but I do recall reading a lot of this in a
book about Tesla's inventions more than the man himself. Now I think about
it I may be recalling TV programs on PBS but I did read a number of things
about him.

Jer
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> Is there a book that documents this? There were a number of business
> people who were ruthless- Carnegie, for example and there is a story
> about Ford's repair facility in Switzerland that repaired German tanks
> in WWII. Does anyone know any details  on that?
>
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
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> From: "Andrew Vida" <osan at netlabs.net>
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> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 5:20 AM
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>
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/2012 7:37 PM, Jerry Frost wrote:
>>> Yeah, edison was an SOB but Tesla had less sense for business than a
>>> beaver
>>> has for saving trees,
>>
>> Yes, Tesla was very naive.  But he had Edison beaten hands down in the
>> smarts department.
>>
>
> No question, one of the smartest people ever, just crazy as a human can
> get.
> Good crazy though, he just needed a keeper.
>
>>> such without any help. Heck Tesla was an outright thief, he converted
>>> virtually all the profit he owed Westinghouse for AC generation and
>>> transmission to build the Wyrdcliff power transmission tower. I'll
>>> happily
>>> accept corrections on missed details, say Westinghouse NOT being the
>>> company
>>> that got snookered by backing Tesla.
>>
>> This I do not recall as ever having read, and to be honest I find it
>> less than credible.  I may be wrong, but George Westinghouse even
>> screwed Tesla in the end under pressure from outside elements.
>>>
>
> I did some side looking seeing as I was darned interested in Tesla's
> power
> transmission theories. The Wyrdcliff power transmission tower was his
> biggest experiment and a success to an extent. The tower required more
> than
> a megawatt and lit a 30w bulb about 1/2 mile away. This isn't a very
> good
> way to transmit power, IMHO. He also posited zero point energy and more
> practical yet drawing on Earth's magnetic and electrical field currents
> for
> power, these experiments were more successful than Wyrdcliff but who can
>
> sell Earth power all there was was initial hardware sales for the
> recievers.
>
> What surprised me was how Tesla got it financed. He convinced his
> backers it
> would work and they could simply replace the other power companies. It
> was
> all very vague and he didn't say how much Wyrdcliff would cost, not even
> an
> estimate, not a close to realistic one anyway. As I recall he estimated
> a
> few tens of thousands that would come back almost immediately where the
> actual cost was a couple few million for such a limited success as to
> amount
> to a practical failure. After one experiment he just walked away and
> left
> his backers holding the bag.
>
>>> In short, Tesla had a better product on all counts, cheaper to
> produce,
>>> safer, more and efficiently easily moved over a distance and he STILL
>
>>> lost
>>> it. Nobody's fault but his own.
>>
>> Yes and no.  I agree that he should have had better sense and not
>> trusted the likes of vermin such as Edison, but that does not justify
>> the outright theft that was perpetrated against him.  We can assign
>> guilt to all sides on this one, methinks.
>>
>
> Oh yeah, there's plenty of blame to spread on all sides. Edison and
> Westinghouse had similar phylosiphies where profit should go; very
> victorian
> gentlemen both. I think theft is a matter of perspective seeing as Tesla
>
> made no effort to hold onto his interest in AC and the rest. He as much
> gave
> it all away as had it stolen. I see similar thinking in the final
> results as
> who paid for Wyrdcliff and some of his odder research, say the Tesla
> death
> ray. He spent several happy years trying to get that to work at someone
> elses expense.
>
> I have no way to even estimate who came out ahead outside of us, the
> ones
> who have electrified homes and shops. I feel good about the results
> myself.
>
> Jer
>

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