[TheForge] Light bulbs and shop power

Mon Aug 6 07:39:11 EDT 2012

No, this is in his own shop, 4 miles from my house. I, too, have a
healthy respect for electricity and lightning. Even 115 volts can kill
you and can knock a person off a ladder and bust his or her head open.
As to home and business electrical fires: if it doesn't smell right find
out what is causing it. It something doesn't sound right, such as a
ballast or a fan motor it will cause a fire. 

There is also the danger of spontaneous combustion from a box of oily
rags. One cause you would never expect was a glass jug of kerosene which
focused the sun's rays like a magnifying glass on a pile of rags. 

My experience in this area is from years of cause & origin, arson and
workers comp investigation and from a more personal perspective, both my
parents perished in a fire of electrical origin. They were 47.... 

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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Vida
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:00 AM
To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Light bulbs and shop power

Your description is not quite making sense to me... a NEIGHBOR'S shop
(friend??) is having this effect on yours?  Not grokking this, but my
pea-sized brain aside, what you OUGHT to do is to have a completely
separate service between the shop and the house, not to mention any
neighbors.  Running lines from your home service to a shop is, IMO,
foolish in the extreme.  One of my few absolute maxims in life is NEVER
fuck around where electricity is concerned.  I burned my own house down
in '02 that way - accidentally, of course, but burnt nevertheless.  If
you've never had a home burn, trust me that this is something you do not
ever want to go through if you can avoid it.

Yes, it costs money to have a new service put it.  It costs a lot more
in all terms to replace your life when the house turns to charcoal and
fly ash.

I'm dead-serious about this and mark my words that if perchance
something goes wrong and your house or your shop goes up, you will not
be a happy camper no matter if you have a billion dollars worth of
coverage.  I didn't think anything of the little buzzing noise in the
dryer, so I turned it off and went to Marshall's for a visit.  Four
hours later my house was GONE. At the risk of beating a dead horse I
will once again advise you to get your service straightened out before
something unholy happens to your home and, god forbid, you.

  Good luck.

On 8/3/2012 7:47 AM, Ron Childers wrote:
> They hold water- Edison said so. (: His biography is interesting; he 
> had over 1,000 patents and was a very precocious kid but for some 
> reason he was hung up on DC electric power. I think it was Tesla who
developed AC.
> My grandfather told me Edison said radio waves would eventually 
> interfere with the weather patterns. If our shops were DC the cables 
> would be huge.
>
> Back on topic: The shop lights go very dim every time a friend turns 
> on a grinder in his shop which is over 100 feet from the house. The 
> wiring to the shop is fed from the house and there is no drop box. My 
> guess is the wire is too small to carry the load that far. If someone 
> honks down on the abrasive cut-off saw it trips a breaker in the 
> house. It is an electrician's nightmare that was there when he bought 
> the house and so far is only annoying, but does anyone know of this 
> kind of situation causing a fire? I think it needs heavier copper wire
and a drop box.
> Also, I don't know the amperage of the breaker. I used #6 and don't 
> have that situation.  I feel a bit uneasy about this but need to 
> justify my concerns before beating him up about it. Does anyone have 
> some words of wisdom? Thanx, Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:32 PM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] TheForge Digest, Vol 102, Issue 14
>
> Simple logic, zero. They hold nothing; vacuum.
>
> Jer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Childers"<ron at munlaw.net>
> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA"<theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] TheForge Digest, Vol 102, Issue 14
>
>
>> How would you compute the volume of a light bulb? (-:\>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy Gladish
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:43 PM
>> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] TheForge Digest, Vol 102, Issue 14
>>
>> Thanks! I figured this one (a different way involving a lot of
> geometry-
>> I'm going to use your method!) out at 3:30 this morning, lying awake-

>> it's always wierd how simple the solutions are once you get them...
>> Andy G.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:29:33 -0400
>>> From: "Ron Childers"<ron at munlaw.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1/2" pipe or square for the pattern....Bend to shape then lay out on

>>> the shop floor and duplicate. Try it for fit before final welding.
>>> Jeff and crew did one and it was a real treat getting it up to the
> 3rd
>>
>>> story through a narrow staircase after the wall was painted and the 
>>> hardwood floor was varnished. It fit; billowed curves and all, yea!
>>> The owner's wife caught us in the act of final fitting and she loved

>>> it..Compliments on the work, husband paid the price and the check 
>>> didn't bounce. Fitting on an outdoor railing should be easier but it
>> must adhere to specs...
>>>
>>>
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