[TheForge] Light bulbs and shop power

Fri Aug 3 09:36:17 EDT 2012

He grinds with a 1h/p 2x72 for hours at a time. Would it be
practical/safe to just run another cable of the same or larger size in
parallel wired together at the terminals? If it is #12 then another #12
should at least double the capacity. I think there is a formula for
that...

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Find out what gauge wires run between house and shop, and look up to see
what gauge should be used over that distance.  I would guess they should
be at least 10-gauge.  Possibly somebody ran only 20-gauge (which may
suffice for lights).

Copper is expensive.  I wonder whether there might be a work-around if
the heavy load is only used occasionally.  Like, maybe, charge a car
battery in the shop, then run the 12V through an inverter to power the
grinder.  This wouldn't make sense for running machines all day, but if
it's a few minutes now, a few minutes later it might save a lot of money
on copper and electrical inspections.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Ron Childers <ron at munlaw.net> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Back on topic: The shop lights go very dim every time a friend turns 
> on a grinder in his shop which is over 100 feet from the house. The 
> wiring to the shop is fed from the house and there is no drop box. My 
> guess is the wire is too small to carry the load that far. If someone 
> honks down on the abrasive cut-off saw it trips a breaker in the 
> house. It is an electrician's nightmare that was there when he bought 
> the house and so far is only annoying, but does anyone know of this 
> kind of situation causing a fire? I think it needs heavier copper wire
and a drop box.
> Also, I don't know the amperage of the breaker. I used #6 and don't 
> have that situation.  I feel a bit uneasy about this but need to 
> justify my concerns before beating him up about it. Does anyone have 
> some words of wisdom? Thanx, Ron
>
>
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
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> Simple logic, zero. They hold nothing; vacuum.
>
> Jer
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>
>> How would you compute the volume of a light bulb? (-:\>
>>
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>> Thanks! I figured this one (a different way involving a lot of
> geometry-
>> I'm going to use your method!) out at 3:30 this morning, lying awake-

>> it's always wierd how simple the solutions are once you get them...
>> Andy G.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:29:33 -0400
>>> From: "Ron Childers" <ron at munlaw.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1/2" pipe or square for the pattern....Bend to shape then lay out on

>>> the shop floor and duplicate. Try it for fit before final welding.
>>> Jeff and crew did one and it was a real treat getting it up to the
> 3rd
>>
>>> story through a narrow staircase after the wall was painted and the 
>>> hardwood floor was varnished. It fit; billowed curves and all, yea!
>>> The owner's wife caught us in the act of final fitting and she loved

>>> it..Compliments on the work, husband paid the price and the check 
>>> didn't bounce. Fitting on an outdoor railing should be easier but it
>> must adhere to specs...
>>>
>>>
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