[TheForge] OT: Spring tile question

Sun Apr 8 22:05:23 EDT 2012

Walt: by your definition of wet spring am I mistaken in thinking a "dry" 
spring flows year round or through the dry season?

Jer
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> Andrew,
>
> Some springs are "wet" springs.  They only flow in wet seasons.  Springs 
> are really an intersection of the water table with the ground plane. 
> Water table is not flat, it undulates quite a bit dependent on soils & 
> rock strata.
>
>
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>>Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:34:48 -0400
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>>Thanks for the info.  I have discovered at least 3 springs on the
>>property.  The oddity in this is that we are supposedly on a "dry
>>ridge".  Nobody has succeeded in sinking a well.  I am wondering whether
>>a dug well might be viable.
>>
>>At any rate, the one spring flows well, the other two being in the
>>pasture and I have not yet put a shovel into the ground.
>>
>>The other thing I would like to do but cannot due to having no money
>>would be to dam the hollow behind the house.  A 30' high earthen dam at
>>the point I'd like to put it would yield somewhere between 6 and 8
>>million gallons of reserves.  I would plumb the house to it and use it
>>for irrigation, swimming hole, and would stock it as a backup food
>>source in case one of the great rocket surgeons finally manage to fully
>>nuke the economy.
>>
>>Between the water and the gas wells we should be well fixed for the
>>post-armageddon world. :)
>>
>>On 4/1/2012 5:39 PM, David E. Smucker wrote:
>>> Andy,  Google under "spring box"  I think that is where I found things
>>> several years ago.  We reworked an old spring on our land.  When done it
>>> flowed 1.3 gpm in very dry weather and in excess of 20 gpm in wet 
>>> weather
>>> (Jan Feb here).  In our area "western NC" we used concrete items from 
>>> the
>>> local septic tank supplier.  The spring box itself was 2 and 1/2 foot 
>>> square
>>> boxes with open bottom and tops.  We stacked these two high for the 
>>> spring
>>> box itself.  After digging out the spring with a large back hoe we but
>>> several yards of gravel in the hole and set the spring boxes with an 
>>> open
>>> bottom on the gravel.  They cast a new "cover" for the boxes.  Then back
>>> filled around the boxes.  We then took a 1 and 1/2 half pvc line with a 
>>> drop
>>> of about 6 to 8 foot down to a spring tank of 700 gallons.  The bottom 
>>> half
>>> of a 1500 gallon septic tank with a center divider.  They cast a flat 
>>> cover
>>> of this, with two openings, one over each half of the tank.  We then ran 
>>> a 1
>>> and 1/2 inch line down the mountain with a drop of about 80 feet so we 
>>> have
>>> 40 psi water pressure.  We have several sets of over flows.
>>>
>>> 1.3 gpm is a lot of water, over 1800 gallons per day.  Domestic use is 
>>> less
>>> than 100 gallons per day per person -- so we have lots of water for a 
>>> house
>>> plus a garden.  Down side of this was a cost of about $ 5,000 for labor 
>>> and
>>> materials.  You can cut this a lot if you do the labor and have access 
>>> to
>>> the back hoe and don't have to clear and build a woods road to get it 
>>> done.
>>>
>>> I can send you pictures off TheForge if you want.
>>>
>>> Dave Smucker
>>> Brasstown, NC
>>>
>>>
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>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I have been trying to find information on how to develop springs and am
>>> having a pretty hard time of it.  Here is WV they call the device for
>>> capturing the water a tile.  Searching the net for "spring tile" returns
>>> about fifty trillion pages of all sorts of things wholly unrelated to
>>> springs.
>>>
>>> Do any of you know anything about developing springs or of sites that
>>> discuss this?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
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