[TheForge] OT: GM foods OT:

[CGRAF]

On 5/26/2011 7:39 PM, peter fels wrote:
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> On May 26, 2011, at 5:18 PM, CGRAF wrote:

>> I am also aware of things like R22 that passed muster originally on
>> safety specs, it was not poisonous like the ammonia  it replaced nor
>> explosive like the propane it replaced. It only took 50 or so YEARS for
>> us to figure out that just maybe it was screwing with the ozone.
>
> It's a game of learn as you go and hope the unscreened mistakes aren't catastrophic.
> Will ozone depletion cause more deaths than propane and ammonia in that time span?

Assuming that the man made halogens are the cause of the ozone 
depletion, which ain't necessarily so, what make the newer replacements 
which are or will be used on a far larger scale safer? Perhaps they are 
differently dangerous, but we were in such a gosh awful hurry.

Hurry works out fine for getting out of the way of a bus, but not much else.
>>
>> How about thalidomide or my own personal favorite DES?
>
> Thalidimide and it's modifications are now critical medications for select diseases.
It would still have been better if they hadn't been handing it out as 
much as they did. I always distrust the latest cure all wonder anything.

> The kind of cancer i had was associated with DES.
I'm just waiting for the ax to drop. No problems for me, yet. Two of my 
sister have issues though from it. Odd thing is it supposedly had no 
real effect on why it was prescibed to my mom. The experts knew best 
though and it was the new wonder fixer upper.

> Mixed bags. Overall to our advantage.
>
>> Aspirin was bad for you, or at least for kids and was replaced with
>> acetaminophen, which supposedly now has problems.
>
> It's said that aspirin would never make it past the FDA today.
> Risk/reward ratios need to be considered out front.
> The general public doesn't do that.
On the other hand it does work for some heart issues, and nothing helps 
my knees as much. I only take half doses when I do.
>>
>> They used to give pure O2 to "blue babies" until thirty and forty year
>> old people started going blind from it.
>
> How many of them would have died?
Many no doubt. Probably very few if someone had thought to try lower 
percentages instead of just turning it to the max. But the experts knew 
best and everyone followed suite.
>>
>> It just takes a while to find out about this type of thing. Problems
>> only show up after years, maybe decades and with a data set far
>> exceeding anything the FDA can have in its testing phase.
>
> Agreed...but only sometimes and not all that often.

Often enough. It only takes ONE really bad mistake if we all follow along.
>>
>>   My gripe is with the extent that the GMO type food will replace a
>> naturally diverse seed supply.
>> One fungus or other plant disease and the potato famine will look like a
>> cake walk. Remember when cities planted forests of Dutch Elm trees along
>> the streets.( Milwaukee lost thousands of them in about three years.)
>
> The problem here is monoculture, not the GM plants themselves, and much easier to solve.
>
>> They don't any more. Here it is about five lots before a species repeats.
>>
>> My feelings about homogenizing the food supply is governed by the same
>> thing as my dislike of overlarge and powerful government.
>> One mistake or misfortune by or to either effects a lot more people a
>> lot worse than 5 or 6 hundred million small but differing mistakes are
>> likely to.
>>
>> Diversity in almost all cases is a safer and probably more productive
>> course in the long run.
>
> Yessir!
>>
>> Mike Graf
>>
>>
>>
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