[TheForge] OT -12v motors

Tue Jun 21 17:07:37 EDT 2011

no I'm not a beginner but i do wear a leather apron an try to buff on the down side as for wire wheels I try not to use them I found a new one a while back with plastic skirt on the outside it's for my 4½ angle grinder...

Jim Davis

Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter, don't mind, and those that mind, don't matter! 

> From: artgawk at thegrid.net
> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:50:43 -0700
> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT -12v motors
> 
> You are right Jim;
> They keep their staff lawyers heavily sedated.
> The machines are much more useful and versatile without guards and many of us use them that way, at least part of the time.
> They are also much more dangerous without guards.
> If you are a beginner , accident prone or a space case...doncha dare.
> There's no hope for the rest of us.
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:30 PM, James Davis wrote:
> 
> > 
> > here a link to Baldor buffers with pictures ...non of them have guards http://www.mile-x.com/baldor-buffers.aspx
> > 
> > Jim Davis
> > 
> > Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter, don't mind, and those that mind, don't matter! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> From: akfrosty at mtaonline.net
> >> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:03:53 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT -12v motors
> >> 
> >> Hmmm, your last post and this one raise a couple questions in my mind. #1 
> >> Are you really teaching your students to be slow learners?
> >> #2. I agree, a butter fingered person carrying an anvil in the shop may well 
> >> be a contender for most dangerous.
> >> 
> >> More seriousness now. Don't push into the wire wheel or buff unless you have 
> >> to to get to the inside of a feature. Wire brushes and buffs work best at 
> >> the ends of bristles, it's where the fibers carrying compound of wires don't 
> >> slide across the project. If you push hard enough to bend the wires, they 
> >> lay flat and don't cut, same for a buff. A heavy touch will also load the 
> >> grit in a stone wheel reducing it's tooth while rolling the edges of the 
> >> stock.
> >> 
> >> Guards on rotating machinery are good ideas but I've had things come through 
> >> some guards and the ones nothing can get out of make it really hard to get 
> >> things in through meaning you are working at BAD angles of attack. Learning 
> >> to work out of the potential ballistic tragectory(sp?) is your best bet. As 
> >> an added safety measure, especially when others are in the same area is to 
> >> put something behind you like a locker to act as a scatter shield.
> >> 
> >> Jer
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: <Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu>
> >> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT -12v motors
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> I'm a slow learner<G>. I also sometimes teach newbies. I always (even 
> >>> only doing demos) call the grinder "(bring on a full voice, rich in 
> >>> harmonics, that can be heard from far away, think Perry Como singing, and 
> >>> then someone drops an anvil on his foot in the middle of a long note) the 
> >>> single most dangerous piece of equipment in the blacksmith shop." 
> >>> Certainly there are more dangerous pieces there, but the grinder/buffer is 
> >>> the one most likely to get away from a person; before he/she can get away 
> >>> from it<G>.
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> >>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:29 PM
> >>> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> >>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT -12v motors
> >>> 
> >>> That's true indeed Grover but screwing up work faster means you learn 
> >>> faster
> >>> so it's a trade off.
> >>> 
> >>> Andy has a solid safety point; faster means more damage if the work gets
> >>> away from you. SO stay out of the plane of rotation. Make it a matter of
> >>> reflex when operating wire wheels, buffs and belt grinders even wheel
> >>> grinders. If you just never stand in the plane of rotaion you never have 
> >>> to
> >>> remember which when it's okay or which tool might get you a new piercing 
> >>> in
> >>> a bad place.
> >>> 
> >>> Jer
> >>> 
> >> 
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