[TheForge] Slack tank OT: rantlett

[peter fels & phoebe palmer]

Hi Charles;
Given the acidification of the oceans (from CO2...that means us)  it's 
pretty apparent that we are affecting the global climate:
confirmed by the tendency of  ancient glaciers  to retreat, the 
atmospheric CO2 rise. the spread of melting permafrost,
the growing evidence of increasing outgassing methane hydrate, the rise 
in ocean levels, and so on.
There may be larger natural influences in the mix. We can't do much 
about that.
The records of sediment and deep ice cores tell us of global temperature 
changes of  huge magnitude, over large spans of time.
We live in a climatologically calm period, The Little Ice Age has past , 
as have the much larger ones before it.
Similarly, enormous hot spells and droughts have wracked our  temperate 
zones...some within written history.
In this context, our life spans are relatively short...and the 
climatological trends that affect us, look  pretty damn tippy.
We are pushing on it pretty hard.
The numbers seem to indicate that we are at, or past, the balance point.
Wanna keep pushing?
Palin et al want to keep pushing...but then,  it's mighty cold in Alaska 
just now.


On 12/17/2010 2:39 PM, xlch58 at swbell.net wrote:
> I think at this point there is pretty much agreement from responsible
> scientists that global climate change is a fact, the main issue is
> whether or not it is a result of man.  This is at the macro level.  At
> the micro level, i.e. specific cities and regions,  I think it is
> obvious that man is changing the local climate.    I am with Pascal on
> this one.    As regards Al Gore he is singular in that he hasn't lost
> any of his effectiveness since leaving office.    His wife though used
> to chap my ass.   One of the most entertaining TV segments I ever saw
> was her debate with Frank Zappa.
>
> Charles
>
> On 12/17/2010 3:16 PM, peter fels&  phoebe palmer wrote:
>> Hey Andy;
>> Go look at the data and the puter models.
>> The folks who understand them are pretty well convinced...
>> and they are way smarter than either one of us.
>> Besides, even if we take them seriously and move to
>> alternative energy sources...and they turn out to be wrong...
>> Then we will be in a position to stop sending so many trillions
>> of bucks to people who don't much like us.
>>
>> On 12/17/2010 6:23 AM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>>> Mike Linn wrote:
>>>> s... But then again with all the global warming I can't imagine why
>>>> they would be needed.
>>> That's too funny.  The global warming syndica... erm,,, carte... erm...
>>> you know what I mean - met in Cancun.  Lowest temperatures there in over
>>> 100 years.
>>>
>>> Al Gore, the very definition of douche.
>>>
>>>
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