[TheForge] Fw: Cap and trade

[David E. Smucker]

We will not be shutting down down the coal industry anytime soon.  Here is 
why.

We will have coal fired power plants in operation for a long time -- until 
we reach a point under cap and trade that other forms are cheaper.

The steel industry both in the USA and over seas is dependent on coal / 
coke.  The world is built of steel.  We will continue to need it.  The BOF 
depends on being feed with hot "cast iron or pig iron" from the blast 
furnace.  This is based on coke as a fuel.  What about the electric arc? 
Isn't it's feed scarp and uses electrical power for heat?  Yes but 1/3 of 
the energy in most electric arc furnaces today comes from feeding powered 
carbon into the furnaces along with the arc and oxygen.  The carbon is coal.

Dave

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From: "Bob Ehrenberger" <eforge at centurytel.net>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:37 PM
To: "Justin Fisher" <justinf at pixelations.com>; "Blacksmithing List Sponsored 
by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cap and trade

> Justin,
>
> The problem isn't just whether they regulate blacksmiths.  If they shut 
> down
> the coal industry we will see the affects indirectly through supply and
> price changes.
>
> It's kind of like steel.  They don't make steel for the guy that gets a 
> few
> hundred pounds every month or two.  They make it for the factories that 
> buy
> it ten tons at a time.  Once the factories in an area shut down the steel
> supply dries up.
>
> Once they convince the factories and power plants to convert to "clean"
> fuel, what happens to the coal supply?  Thats assuming they will even sell
> to small operators like us.
>
> Robert Ehrenberger
> Shelbyville, Mo.
> eforge at centurytel.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Justin Fisher" <justinf at pixelations.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cap and trade
>
>
> Bob Ehrenberger wrote:
>> I was wondering if any of you have any information on how cap and trade
>> will
>> affect blacksmiths?  It sounds to me that the goal of the bill is to 
>> force
>> industry to quit using coal by taxing it to death.  The Missouri power
>> companys (REC) seems to have worked out a deal, I think that is the trade
>> part where if you own and maintain forests it offsets the carbon credits
>> needed to burn coal at the power plants.
>>
> I doubt your forge will put out 10,000 tons of CO2 a year!  (That looks
> to be the quantity that triggers regulation).
> And it also looks like it applies to power-generation utilities, which a
> blacksmith's forge is not.
>
> So I think we're safe!
>
> --Justin Fisher
> Finally read the bill (whew!)
>
>
>
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