[TheForge] Drilling angles etc/ now sulfur

[Bruce Freeman]

I'm working from memory here.  I cannot find the allotrope I recalled
(a linear polymer of sulfur - but I might misremember) in either the
CRC Handbook or on Wikipedia.  But this article will give you an idea
of the complexity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_sulfur
I suspect that what I saw was pi-sulfur (see table) formed after
lambda (i.e., molten) sulfur is held hot.  I have no sulfur to play
with, but may pick some up out of curiosity.


On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer
<artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
> Bruce, does the sulfur turn red once it's achieved a specific
> temperature, and does it stay that way once it's cooled?
> What are the cooled mass's properties?  pf
>
> Bruce Freeman wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> Wonderful information.
>> The "creamy" consistency of the melted sulfur suggests to me that it
>> had not undergone rearrangement from the yellow S8 to the  red poly-S.
>>  Interesting.
>> Careful with the roofing application.  As you mention, sulfur is not
>> fire resistant.
>>
>> Bob,
>> Garden sulfur is just sulfur for gardens.  Do not confuse the fines in
>> coal with sulfur, thought there might be a lot of the latter in the
>> former.  Some fines can be burned by wetting them to a putty or thick
>> paste.  They'll coke up as a solid lump.  But other fines are just
>> dirt.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer
>> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Bob;
>>>
>>> Bob Ehrenberger wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>> I had never heard the term "garden sulfur" before. What is is used for in
>>>> the garden?
>>> It's used to acidify alkaline soil.
>>>> The reason I'm asking is someone gave me some coal that they found in a shed
>>>> on a farm that they just got. I tried it out, and it is really nasty stuff.
>>>> I could barely get it to burn in the forge because of all the fines.  It
>>>> doesn't coke up like good coal, the fines just go to the bottom of the fire
>>>> pot and clog things up.  So I sifted the fines out and the chunks burned (so
>>>> so). Finally I mixed the chunks in with good coal and could get a pretty
>>>> decent fire out of it. It's not great but I have a 55 gal drum of the stuff
>>>> that I need to use up and I'd rather burn it than just throw it away.
>>> I once saw Bruce Northridge take similar coal and wash it in a tub of
>>> water, leaving the fines behind, with success. Someone else had to clean
>>> it up.
>>>> Any way I was wondering what to do with the fines. When I saw your post, it
>>>> gave me hope that it might actually be good for my garden, depending on what
>>>> it does to it. So is high sulfer coal dust safe for the soil? Or is it only
>>>> good for certan types of soil?  And what would they be?
>>> Coal varies a lot in bonus ingredients, mercury among them..I'd sooner
>>> use it as pothole filler than put it in a garden.
>>> My friend Ed Nater is one of the foremost experts on the question if you
>>> really want an in depth answer.pf
>>>> Robert Ehrenberger
>>>> Shelbyville, Mo.
>>>> eforge at centurytel.net
>>>>
>>>> ----Original message----
>>>> From: Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Drilling angles etc/ now sulfur
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bruce;
>>>> I've used sulfur a number of times successfully to set steel into stone
>>>> and it lasts indefinitely as far as i know.
>>>> I don't recall it's turning red when molten though.
>>>> I have used garden sulfur. There used to be a huge pile under a chute at
>>>> a local refinery and no one minded if i filled 5 gallon buckets with it.
>>>> It was selling for about $10/# then.
>>>>
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