[TheForge] local codes OT OT

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

Andrew Vida wrote:
> 
> Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:\
>>> 	I agree, but their actions smack of "I'm only following orders" - which 
>>> is one of the great cop outs of all time.
>> Cop-outs...tisk.
> 
> 	Oh, look at that - I'd been cute without even being aware of it.
> 
>>> 	Agreed.  One of the most miserable jobs on the planet,
>> Give them credit then.
> 
> 	Where due.  I call them to account, also where due.
agreed
>>   largely because
>>> of all the shyte law they are required to enforce.  Could be changed, 
>>> but I'd not hold my breath waiting.
>> That's not their fault...it's ours.
> 
> 	Partly agree.  They, too, are citizens and share responsibility with 
> the rest of us.  If they uniformly refused to enforce crap law, the 
> nation would be better off.
You know the problem there. The narcs in my yard thought they were doing 
the right thing...and knowingly ignored what they thought was a crap 
law...We'd rather they used less of their judgment mostly if we are 
going to have " a nation of laws".
   Of course, if they went back to being
> "peace officers" vis-a-vis "law enforcement officers" the nation would 
> be better off yet.
amen..forestry/parks folks too.
> 
>>>> Fact is, most of us need them.
>>> 	Only because most of us have abdicated responsibility for our own lives 
>>> at the most fundamental levels.
Huh..What's that got to do with coping with criminality? We supposed to 
shoot them for cause? I don't trust my fellow man that much at all.
   They do a lot of good stuff, but the
>>> bad that is done undoes all of that.
On the balance, i disagree...However disappointing they sometimes 
are...we are a whole lot better off with them on the job.
>> Nah...once again you are reducing it to a black and white issue..too 
>> simplistic.  
> 
> 	Not at the heart of it.  You just said it yourself above - it is our 
> fault.  That includes everyone.
Look...they re elected Bush, is the reality...idealism aside, what can 
you realistically expect?
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