[TheForge] Criminal Background Check

[Jack Elliott]

No more or less so than any other weapon.
Personally, I'll take a pair of .45s, a good carbine, and some  
judiciously applied thermite over a sniper rifle any day. But to each  
his, or her, own.

On Feb 1, 2009, at 10:10 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer wrote:

> Does the range and accuracy of a modern,precision, high powered,  
> scoped
> sniper rifle change the balance of power back in favor of the  
> individual
> significantly?..PF
>
> Jack Elliott wrote:
>> You don't get it do you Bruce...
>> The object of the 2nd amendment was to ensure that the federal
>> government would  never, without our consent at least, be more
>> powerful than the people it represents.
>> So yes, "The people" were able to obtain and posses the most
>> technologically advanced weapons of the day for their own use,
>> whatever that might be. And that IS how the framers intended it.
>> Should it apply to pineapple grenades? AKs? C4? Howitzers? M1-A1
>> Abrahms? And so on and so forth?
>> In its strictest reading absolutely!
>> Because We the people were intended to be the army of the United  
>> States.
>> Have other things affected our daily lives so as to make that both
>> impractical and improbable, as well as outright dangerous in some
>> cases? You Bet! But that doesn't make it not so.
>> Jeesh!
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> It's not really the "infringing" part that I mean to question. It's
>>> the definition of "arms".
>>>
>>> In 1776, a musket or rifle was really not that powerful a  
>>> weapon.  The
>>> firing rate was perhaps twice a minute, IF someone was guarding you
>>> while you reloaded.  Without the bayonet, an army of musketmen would
>>> not have been so effective.
>>>
>>> So fast forward to today and we find that "arms"  could include  
>>> fully
>>> automatic weapons with any sort of load.  Somehow I don't think  
>>> that's
>>> what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Andy Gladish
>>> <gladish at cablerocket.com> wrote:
>>>> Bruce, you and I are about right in line in how we'd like the  
>>>> law to
>>>> behave in regard to firearms.
>>>> Still, your letter is just one more attempt to "prove" that the
>>>> phrase
>>>> "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
>>>> infringed"
>>>> means something other than "the right of the people to keep and
>>>> bear arms
>>>> shall not be infringed."
>>>>
>>>> To 'Infringe' means to trespass upon- not to remove or negate, but
>>>> to step
>>>> even upon the edges of.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding of this article is that even if the first phrase
>>>> was, "In
>>>> order that people who like to have guns shall have all the things
>>>> that go
>>>> boom that they want" it would still be the law of the land as
>>>> written, and
>>>> apply to us all until amended by legal process.
>>>>
>>>> in·fringe      (ĭn-frĭnj')  Pronunciation Key
>>>> v.   in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
>>>>
>>>> v.   tr.
>>>> To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a  
>>>> contract;
>>>> infringe a patent.
>>>> Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
>>>> v.   intr.
>>>> To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an
>>>> increased
>>>> workload that infringed on his personal life.
>>>>
>>>> [Latin īnfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 +
>>>> frangere,
>>>> to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European roots.]
>>>> in·fring'er n.
>>>>
>>>> The American Heritage(R) Dictionary of the English Language,
>>>> Fourth Edition
>>>> Copyright (c) 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
>>>> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Andy G.
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>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Bruce
>>> NJ
>>>
>>> The total lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy
>>> is working.
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