[TheForge] Criminal Background Check

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

Does the range and accuracy of a modern,precision, high powered, scoped 
sniper rifle change the balance of power back in favor of the individual 
significantly?..PF

Jack Elliott wrote:
> You don't get it do you Bruce...
> The object of the 2nd amendment was to ensure that the federal  
> government would  never, without our consent at least, be more  
> powerful than the people it represents.
> So yes, "The people" were able to obtain and posses the most  
> technologically advanced weapons of the day for their own use,  
> whatever that might be. And that IS how the framers intended it.
> Should it apply to pineapple grenades? AKs? C4? Howitzers? M1-A1  
> Abrahms? And so on and so forth?
> In its strictest reading absolutely!
> Because We the people were intended to be the army of the United States.
> Have other things affected our daily lives so as to make that both  
> impractical and improbable, as well as outright dangerous in some  
> cases? You Bet! But that doesn't make it not so.
> Jeesh!
> 
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Bruce Freeman wrote:
> 
>> Andy,
>>
>> It's not really the "infringing" part that I mean to question. It's
>> the definition of "arms".
>>
>> In 1776, a musket or rifle was really not that powerful a weapon.  The
>> firing rate was perhaps twice a minute, IF someone was guarding you
>> while you reloaded.  Without the bayonet, an army of musketmen would
>> not have been so effective.
>>
>> So fast forward to today and we find that "arms"  could include fully
>> automatic weapons with any sort of load.  Somehow I don't think that's
>> what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Andy Gladish  
>> <gladish at cablerocket.com> wrote:
>>> Bruce, you and I are about right in line in how we'd like the law to
>>> behave in regard to firearms.
>>> Still, your letter is just one more attempt to "prove" that the  
>>> phrase
>>> "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be  
>>> infringed"
>>> means something other than "the right of the people to keep and  
>>> bear arms
>>> shall not be infringed."
>>>
>>> To 'Infringe' means to trespass upon- not to remove or negate, but  
>>> to step
>>> even upon the edges of.
>>>
>>> My understanding of this article is that even if the first phrase  
>>> was, "In
>>> order that people who like to have guns shall have all the things  
>>> that go
>>> boom that they want" it would still be the law of the land as  
>>> written, and
>>> apply to us all until amended by legal process.
>>>
>>> in·fringe      (ĭn-frĭnj')  Pronunciation Key
>>> v.   in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
>>>
>>> v.   tr.
>>> To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract;
>>> infringe a patent.
>>> Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
>>> v.   intr.
>>> To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an  
>>> increased
>>> workload that infringed on his personal life.
>>>
>>> [Latin īnfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 +  
>>> frangere,
>>> to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European roots.]
>>> in·fring'er n.
>>>
>>> The American Heritage(R) Dictionary of the English Language,  
>>> Fourth Edition
>>> Copyright (c) 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
>>> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Andy G.
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>>
>> -- 
>> Bruce
>> NJ
>>
>> The total lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy  
>> is working.
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