[TheForge] Criminal Background Check

[Jack Elliott]

Thank you Bob.
Wish i'd read this before I replied.

On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Bob Willman wrote:

> 	I believe that one can make a very convincing argument that since  
> the government folks have these kinds of arm then the citizens  
> should have equivalent arms at their disposal. We tend to assume  
> that mere possession of arms leads to their use. Free men governed  
> by a government that respects their freedoms have no need to use  
> such arms but if that government should forget it's purpose then ....
>
>
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
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> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Criminal Background Check
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> Andy,
>
> It's not really the "infringing" part that I mean to question. It's  
> the definition of "arms".
>
> In 1776, a musket or rifle was really not that powerful a weapon.   
> The firing rate was perhaps twice a minute, IF someone was guarding  
> you while you reloaded.  Without the bayonet, an army of musketmen  
> would not have been so effective.
>
> So fast forward to today and we find that "arms"  could include  
> fully automatic weapons with any sort of load.  Somehow I don't  
> think that's what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Andy Gladish  
> <gladish at cablerocket.com> wrote:
>> Bruce, you and I are about right in line in how we'd like the law to
>> behave in regard to firearms.
>> Still, your letter is just one more attempt to "prove" that the  
>> phrase
>> "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be  
>> infringed"
>> means something other than "the right of the people to keep and bear
>> arms shall not be infringed."
>>
>> To 'Infringe' means to trespass upon- not to remove or negate, but to
>> step even upon the edges of.
>>
>> My understanding of this article is that even if the first phrase  
>> was,
>> "In order that people who like to have guns shall have all the things
>> that go boom that they want" it would still be the law of the land as
>> written, and apply to us all until amended by legal process.
>>
>> in·fringe      (ĭn-frĭnj')  Pronunciation Key
>> v.   in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es
>>
>> v.   tr.
>> To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract;
>> infringe a patent.
>> Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
>> v.   intr.
>> To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an
>> increased workload that infringed on his personal life.
>>
>> [Latin īnfringere, to destroy : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 +
>> frangere, to break; see bhreg- in Indo-European roots.]  
>> in·fring'er n.
>>
>> The American Heritage(R) Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
>> Edition Copyright (c) 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
>> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Andy G.
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