[TheForge] Interesting Article OT:

Thu Aug 20 21:48:05 EDT 2009

"Talked into" is the key phrase:  whose decision was it to sue?   Ever get 
talked into an insurance policy?  A car? a MURDER? Great defense in any 
situation:  "I got talked into it".  Which part of "no thank you" was hard 
to understand?

Ambulance chaser?  Sure there's a reason for the phrase.  But its not 
because it happens, its because people like to believe it happens. Anybody 
out there know of a single instance of actual ambulance chasing?  OR 
anything like it?  Then report it to your bar association, don't help 
perpetuate the myth.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Scheid" <damales at pollybutte.net>
To: "'Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Interesting Article OT:

> Yes and no! The phase "ambulance chaser" is there for a reason. I have 
> seen
> someone get hurt in my sport brush it off then some lawyer talks them into
> suing. "because it not the sport it is the insurance your going after"
> Dan Scheid
>
>
> Sure Keziah:
> I know several poor, idealistic lawyers who sacrifice as much for their
> values as artists do....but had the potential to make much more money
> and didn't.
>
> Keziah's Forge wrote:
>> Peter:
>>
>> Thank you so much for this observation.  About time someone said it/  For
>> years I have been saying that the legal profession ought to take its PR
> cues
>> from the NRA, beginning with "Lawyers don't sue people: people sue
>> people."..
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net>
>> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Interesting Article OT:
>>
>>
>>> The lawyers are just doing their client's bidding.
>>> Blame the foks who enter into unjust of frivolous lawsuits.
>>> Blaming the lawyers is kinda like blaming the cops for the
>>> laws...sometimes they overstep the bounds, but mostly not.
>>>
>>> Bruce Freeman wrote:
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Blame the lawyers.
>>>>
>>>> If you have a dog that will bite people, the last thing you should do
>>>> is put up a sign "Vicious Dog" because then if your dog DOES bite
>>>> someone, you've effectively admitted culpability - end of story.  If
>>>> you put up a sign, "Guard Dog on Duty" and it bites someone, than,
>>>> perhaps, the case will be adjudicated on the facts.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise, don't name your dog "Wolf."  Name him "Wolfgang Amadeus" and
>>>> call him "Wolf" for short.  (True story!)
>>>>
>>>> Therefore it remains necessary for those of us who know the hazards of
>>>> this or that to tell folks the true stories.   The labels will never
>>>> do it because no company wants to admit culpability.  There is no
>>>> chemical that can't be used safely.  The protections one must take may
>>>> be cost prohibitive, however.  I have a friend who routinely uses HF
>>>> to etch glass, and has no problem handling it.  She is most definately
>>>> aware of the danger, and deals with it.
>>>>
>>>> The case of Karen Wetterhahn shows why each of us must be responsible
>>>> for our own safety.  No one else can possibly understand exactly how
>>>> we will be using chemicals.  Or, for that matter, what physical
>>>> hazards we'll let ourselves be exposed to.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I keep coming back to is that experience is NOT a good
>>>> teacher with regard to safety for the simple reason that accidents are
>>>> fairly rare.  You must think through what MIGHT happen, judge the
>>>> probability of it happening and the consequences should it happen, and
>>>> work to prevent those occurrences that have significant probability
>>>> and consequences.  Just because it has never happened yet, doesn't
>>>> mean it can't happen and won't ruin your day (life?) if it does.
>>>> Experience may help you judge consequences, but experience is a very
>>>> poor teacher of probability because one chance in ten or one-hundred
>>>> SEEMS low to use, but if that's a measure of deaths, think again.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Mike Spencer<mspencer at tallships.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Enough of those scenarios and we don't find safety warning credible
>>>>> even when they say, "Get this on your fingers and you will die in 10
>>>>> minutes" or "breathe these fumes and your liver will turn to compost
>>>>> before bedtime."
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] E.g. dimethylmercury: 
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Wetterhahn
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada       .~.
>>>>
>>>>
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