[TheForge] OT--Gas prices, gas shortages, price gouging?

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

We haven't built new refinerys in any number for a long time. More 
demand,fewer facilities.
I was a marine biology student, diver, fisher,poacher, commercial 
biological specimen collector and under the table shell shop supplier ( 
and some other related endeavors, not all strictly legal), at the time 
the off shore drilling platforms came in in Santa Barbra.
Long before the actual famous oil spill, the local marine ecology took a 
nose dive, big time.
Locations rich with seafood for years went nearly sterile. Local 
fisheries staggered , some collapsed. It was ugly and convinced me that 
going on in marine bio, which i loved, was to become a historian. I 
quit. Eventually fell out of the ocean into the frying pan of metal work 
when a friend let me borrow his torch.....
I have a very low opinion of offshore drilling......pf

Jonathan Barnhart wrote:
> Drilling platforms and refineries are two differant things.  The hurricane shut down refineries in Texas not drilling.  Even if it was just drilling, we'd be getting shipments of oil from somewhere else.  Yeah high oils prices will drive gas prices, but the oil execs closing refineries and keeping them closed has done more to run our gas prices up.  I'm for the pickens plan(look it up online right now).  I'm also for renewable alternative fuels too.  Hybrids aren't enough we need hybrids that run on alcohol, hydrogen,natural gas, propane, biodiesel, vegatable oils, and anything else we can think of.  Besides, there is no actual law against drilling offshore.  It's heavily frowned upon and used as another excuse to gouge prices.
> 
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> --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mike Linn <bamablacksmith at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Mike Linn <bamablacksmith at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT--Gas prices, gas shortages, price gouging?
>> To: dschw at rocketmail.com, "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 5:40 PM
>> This morning when I left for work the Chevron station I pass
>> by was at 
>> $3.49... I came home early so I could fill the truck and
>> boat for a 
>> fishing trip tomorrow... it was $3.89 and the Shell station
>> up the road 
>> was $4.19. The lines were 10 deep at the pumps... luckily I
>> know a 
>> couple of stations out in the 'sticks' and filled
>> up at $3.99 but at 
>> least I didnt have to wait an hour for petrol...
>>
>> I propose we send an email to each and every Senator and
>> Congress 
>> person.. reminding them there are no hurricanes in ANWR...
>> Had we 
>> started drilling there and in the outer continental shelf
>> 10-15 years 
>> ago as was proposed then.. we wouldn't be in this
>> predicament now.. 
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>> DaveS wrote:
>>> Here in northeast Alabama the price jumped 20 cents up
>> to $3.65 at the local Wally world from yesterday. Other
>> stations have raised their prices 40 to 50 cents a gallon
>> and I saw prices of $3.99 to $4.09 down the highway.  Guess
>> they think they need to charge "possible replacement
>> cost" for the gasoline in their tanks rather than price
>> it at a normal profit above what they paid for it.  I know
>> that the gasoline presently in the tank farms and pipelines
>> does not justify the jump in prices so I guess someone
>> figures to make a wee bit more profit based on rumors and
>> scare tactics.  And yes, the local tv news station in
>> Huntsville was reporting the $5.00 per gallon story like it
>> was carved in stone. 
>>>   
>> -- 
>> Mike Linn
>> Artisan Blacksmith
>> McCalla, AL
>>
>> Start a revolution...
>> www.fairtax.org
>>
>>
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