[TheForge] Vise grip moving

Sat Sep 13 09:08:57 EDT 2008

Industrial espionage is as large a business as military.  Same effect.
Saps the strength of a country.

As we send more business overseas, look around yourself.  We are now a
country of design and intellectuals (cough cough).  IE we develop new
things and sell them.  We still have what people want, just we are not
the mass producers.  And our product may be easier stolen and sold at a
profit.  

-----Original Message-----
From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Fels &
Phoebe Palmer
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 6:17 PM
To: blakkpawss at yahoo.com; Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Vise grip moving

My father had a costume jewelry company years ago. They'd come out with 
a new line 2 times a year. Within a month several other American 
companies would knock off the most popular pieces and put out cheap, 
cheezy imitations.
They spent huge amounts on copyright suits and won...but lost $ and 
business. It was one of the main factors that drove them out of business

after 30 some years...pf

Jonathan Barnhart wrote:
> They do the same thing at toyshows that show off the years new
products, and for that matter probably most of the worldwide trade shows
every year.  Steal the designs and ideas of other people, and make them
quicker, in bigger numbers, and far cheaper.  Then flood the markets and
get as much money as they can, even if some international law finally
stops them from making them again.  Then they change the product a bit
to get around the law and go back to it.  Funny thing is these are the
same people that almost rioted when Wal-Marts new China stores brought
in cheaper produce that was out competing their farmers.
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu
<Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu> wrote:
> 
>> From: Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu
<Grover.Richardson at gtri.gatech.edu>
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Vise grip moving
>> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:14 PM
>> The orientals do not believe in copyright laws.  The wife
>> used to work
>> in textiles, and at the shows in Atlanta they would stand
>> next to
>> "Adopt-a-dolls" with a meter stick and take
>> pictures for reference.
>> Standard operation.  This is not a fuss, just noting that
>> not everyone
>> thinks the same.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> dann at wctatel.net
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:39 PM
>> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Vise grip moving
>>
>>
>> Moving Vice Grip production to China may make the company
>> some  short
>> term
>> bottom line profit, provided they are able to maintain the
>> quality of
>> the
>> tool.
>>
>> Vice Grip always did have a lot of companies  that tried to
>> copy the
>> design, but none of them came close to the quality.  I
>> damaged a few
>> knuckles using some cheap knock off's like "Globe
>> Master" which used to
>> produce theirs in Spain.
>>
>> One thing to be sure of now, it will back fire on Vice
>> Grip.
>>
>> The tooling and quality of Vice Grip brand will leak out
>> the back door
>> of
>> their Chinese factory, and there will be vice grip knock
>> offs in plenty
>> that will be close, "almost" as good as the
>> original vice grip pliers
>> produced in Nebraska.
>>
>> Guess I will work at adding to my hoard of quality tools: 
>> the next vice
>> grip pliers that I buy will be from estate / farm auctions.
>>
>> Dann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> What a surprise  Bye bye xxxxx jobs, see you in the
>> shoe isle of
>> KMart.
>>>
>>>
>>> williamsiron at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>  All,
>>>>
>>>> The parent company of Vise Grip is shutting down
>> the plant in DeWitt,
>> NE
>>>> and moving it to (Drum Roll!) China.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Williams
>>>> Snow Hill, Maryland
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