[TheForge] Re: Purty power hammer

[robert hensarling]

Ok, I see now.  Thanks
rh
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>  Robert, when I say "not that its even possible", I am referring to  the 
> Alldays and Onions, which, like most self contained air hammers,  has a 
> linkage running right up and down the center line of that column.
> I would guess most of the hammers with holes thru the column are 
> mechanicals, where the working parts are up above, and the column is  just 
> structural, holding up the mechanism.
>
> ries
>
> On Jul 15, 2008, at 1:44 PM, robert hensarling wrote:
>
> Several hammers have holes in the back casting to allow the work to go 
> through.  I think Kevin Cashens hammer is one of those.
> I agree with you on the flat dies.  I'm building a lot of different 
> swages for my Tom Clark hammer.  Like Ed Cafferdy told me (he has a  Clark 
> also) "Most of the tooling will not be used that much, but when  he needs 
> them, they're there".
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>>
>> I cant see needing a hole thru the column, (not that its even   possible) 
>> given your die orientation- instead, most work would be  done  at right 
>> angles to the column. At least, thats how I, and most  smiths  I know, 
>> work with power hammers- with the work piece going  90 degrees  to the 
>> long axis of the die.
>> The idea of a sow block that rotates the dies 45 degrees, with  smaller 
>> final dies, makes some sense to me- mostly just because of  how awkward 
>> it would be to always be working the treadle from the  side, rather  than 
>> from the front.
>> Personally, I like flat dies, with lots of add on tooling, but I  know 
>> that there are many people who prefer the kind of combo dies  you 
>> currently have.
>> I have an outboard support that clamps onto my lower die, and is 
>> removable in a minute or two, that my swage tooling in turn clamps  to, 
>> so most of the time, I leave it in place and run swages and  lower 
>> tools, but I can easily remove it if needed.
>>
>> As for value- well, if you had spent the bucks for a new, 3 phase, 
>> appropriately sized motor, with new motor starter, I can imagine  that 
>> hammer easily selling for between $5000 and $10,000 down here  where I 
>> live. Several similar sized machines have recently traded in  that 
>> range, to working smiths, who understand that a real, to spec  footing 
>> could easily run them another 3 to 5 grand, with electrical  hookup 
>> costing a bunch as well.
>> Both of the late Russel Jacque's hammers, a Nazel 3B and a 600lb 
>> Chambersburg, were priced at $15,000, and both sold, although I  dont 
>> know what the final sales prices were.
>> This is not "collector" pricing- this is current usable tool  pricing 
>> for 300lb hammers, which are pretty rare.
>> Its a great size, and many people run just one hammer, a 250lb to   300lb 
>> hammer, and do everything with it.
>> As far as I know, the only new option for a hammer that size is the 
>> chinese hammers, which will run quite a bit more for a 300lb  machine- 
>> the 165lb hammers are costing about $10,000  right now.
>> I dont know what they get for a 300lb machine, but I am guessing its 
>> north of  $15,000, landed in the USA.
>>
>> By the way, have you considered pinstriping?
>> Adds value, character, and elan.
>>
>> Ries
>>
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>> Ries Niemi
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