[TheForge] Re: Purty power hammer

[ries]

  Robert, when I say "not that its even possible", I am referring to  
the Alldays and Onions, which, like most self contained air hammers,  
has a linkage running right up and down the center line of that column.
I would guess most of the hammers with holes thru the column are  
mechanicals, where the working parts are up above, and the column is  
just structural, holding up the mechanism.

ries

On Jul 15, 2008, at 1:44 PM, robert hensarling wrote:

Several hammers have holes in the back casting to allow the work to go  
through.  I think Kevin Cashens hammer is one of those.
I agree with you on the flat dies.  I'm building a lot of different  
swages for my Tom Clark hammer.  Like Ed Cafferdy told me (he has a  
Clark also) "Most of the tooling will not be used that much, but when  
he needs them, they're there".
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> I cant see needing a hole thru the column, (not that its even   
> possible) given your die orientation- instead, most work would be  
> done  at right angles to the column. At least, thats how I, and most  
> smiths  I know, work with power hammers- with the work piece going  
> 90 degrees  to the long axis of the die.
> The idea of a sow block that rotates the dies 45 degrees, with  
> smaller final dies, makes some sense to me- mostly just because of  
> how awkward  it would be to always be working the treadle from the  
> side, rather  than from the front.
> Personally, I like flat dies, with lots of add on tooling, but I  
> know that there are many people who prefer the kind of combo dies  
> you currently have.
> I have an outboard support that clamps onto my lower die, and is  
> removable in a minute or two, that my swage tooling in turn clamps  
> to,  so most of the time, I leave it in place and run swages and  
> lower  tools, but I can easily remove it if needed.
>
> As for value- well, if you had spent the bucks for a new, 3 phase,  
> appropriately sized motor, with new motor starter, I can imagine  
> that hammer easily selling for between $5000 and $10,000 down here  
> where I live. Several similar sized machines have recently traded in  
> that  range, to working smiths, who understand that a real, to spec  
> footing  could easily run them another 3 to 5 grand, with electrical  
> hookup  costing a bunch as well.
> Both of the late Russel Jacque's hammers, a Nazel 3B and a 600lb  
> Chambersburg, were priced at $15,000, and both sold, although I  
> dont  know what the final sales prices were.
> This is not "collector" pricing- this is current usable tool  
> pricing  for 300lb hammers, which are pretty rare.
> Its a great size, and many people run just one hammer, a 250lb to   
> 300lb hammer, and do everything with it.
> As far as I know, the only new option for a hammer that size is the  
> chinese hammers, which will run quite a bit more for a 300lb  
> machine-  the 165lb hammers are costing about $10,000  right now.
> I dont know what they get for a 300lb machine, but I am guessing its  
> north of  $15,000, landed in the USA.
>
> By the way, have you considered pinstriping?
> Adds value, character, and elan.
>
> Ries
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