[TheForge] OT (?) What's this?

Fri Feb 8 14:13:07 EST 2008

Near the end of the film, you can see the hook pivot as the chain is moved 
between anvil and forge.

PGH

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> Aubrey:
>
> Not with the whatsit specifically, but check out:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIbObCltfQ
>
> Great piece of film.  You can see the hook used, and imagine how Rich's 
> piect could improve things.  Inspired me to build an Oliver
>
> Peter
>
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> From: "Washington, Aubrey O." <awashington at ou.edu>
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> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:48 PM
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>
> Peter, I can imagine what you are describing.  Do we know of any 
> chain-making shops where it was done this way?
>
> Aubrey
>
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> On Behalf Of Peter Hirst [saltydog335 at aol.com]
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> Versatility is the answer to both questions.  First, picture heavy chain
> being forged. It hangs from an ovehead mount between anvil and forge. A 
> very
> heavy section of chain has to swing between anvil and forge for each link.
> the swivel helps in this movement.  In addition, if only one hook is used,
> every time the chain is advanced on the hanger, the entire length from 
> anvil
> to hook to floor has to be lifted and moved.  With the multiple hooks, 
> much
> shorter, lighter lengths are accumulated, one link at a time and
> progressively rotated out of the way. With the multiple hooks only shorter
> lighter sections of chain have to be moved at any one time as the chain
> progresses.
>
> For lighter chain, the tool could mount in a hardy hole, swage block on a
> stand, or stake plate on a post, where it is secured with a key in the 
> slot
> at the bottom of the post  at about bench level,  since the lighter 
> section
> would not have to be suspended overhead in order to make it manageable.
> Again, shorter, lighter sections of chain are progressively looped on the
> multiple hooks and rotated away from the smith.
>
> I think it makes sense if you picture the chain-making process, involving
> long lengths of chain of various sizes that might be made in a small shop
> rather than the short sections we might encounter at a demonstration. 
> That's
> why I asked Mike to look around the shop in question for other signs of
> chain production.  Overhead mounts for the hook, an Oliver, a chain 
> maker's
> anvil, funny-looking hardy tools, bending forks, bicks with swaging
> impressions in them, things like that.
>
> PGH
>
>
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>
> Peter,
>
> Yes, that was the best suggestion I have heard.  I've never seen such a
> thing in use, so I'm having trouble imagining it in use.  For example, I'm
> still unclear on how it would be mounted; why both a threaded bolt and a
> tapered post?  Also, why would it need to swivel?  Just curious.
>
> Aubrey
>
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> Aubrey:
>
> Doesn't "chainmaker's tool"  account for all the features?
>
> Two of the three smiths replying to my inquiry on the Anvilfire forum came
> up with the same answer without prompting. I sent the link to the photos,
> and two smiths replied within minutes: "chainmakers helper".
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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> Rich,
>
> Did you ever come up with a satisfactory identification of this object?
> None of the explanations I heard really accounted for all of the
> characteristics of the beast.
>
> Aubrey
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> Behalf Of Rich Maynard [rich at maynard.org.uk]
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> Apologies for the inconvenience!
>
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