[TheForge] Aluminum pans and Alzheimers (was: Iron in the Fire)OT

Sun Mar 11 08:12:02 EST 2007

Peter:
They're not worrying about YOU, they're worring about
the can.  Put Coke, at pH 3.5, into a bare aluminum
can and it might just eat a hole in it.  Coke would
then have to cut back on it's two-decade shelf life!
Bruce
NJ
--- Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
wrote:

> Probably better off with the aluminum oxide than the
> plastic 
> lining in the can..sigh.
> 
> Dave Smucker wrote:
> > ">Aluminum is everywhere, in buffered asperin,  in
> deododerant, and 
> > probably
> >> some in the beer that I drank from a can last
> night."
> > 
> > You are right about aluminum being everywhere --
> and in most cases your 
> > contact is in the oxide form.  In this form it is
> very very hard to 
> > break down to get the base metal.
> > 
> > As to the beer can, it is very unlikely you got
> any aluminum from the 
> > can.  The inside of cans are 100 percent coated. 
> Yes the coating can 
> > fail -- but you will know it.  The beer would
> "taste", and other drinks 
> > -- we used to call them "hard to hold" will eat a
> hole in the can.
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > 
> >> From: dann at wctatel.net
> >> Reply-To: Sponsored by ABANA
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >> To: "Sponsored by ABANA"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Aluminum pans and
> Alzheimers (was: Iron in the 
> >> Fire)
> >> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:44:32 -0600 (CST)
> >>
> >>
> >> Welders, as a profession, have the highest
> incidence of Parkinson's 
> >> Disease.
> >>
> >> Some believe it is related to the metal oxides we
> breath while working.
> >>
> >> There is some relation between Parkinson's
> Disease,  Lewy Body Dimentia
> >> and Alzheimers' Diementia , in that all three
> have dying neurons being
> >> plugged up with mal-formed proteins, that can't
> seem to be excreted 
> >> across
> >> cell membranes.
> >>
> >> Aluminum is everywhere, in buffered asperin,  in
> deododerant, and 
> >> probably
> >> some in the beer that I drank from a can last
> night.
> >>
> >> What Bruce was talking about is documented on the
> Alzheimer's web page,
> >> linked below.
> >>
> >>
>
<http://www.alz.org/documents/national/FSAluminum.pdf>
> >>
> >> Besides the aluminum salts, Alzheimers has also
> linked with toxic effects
> >> of some copper salts and also with iron.
> >>
> >> Still: the key diagnositic of Alzheimers is the
> presence of amyloid
> >> deposits, aluminum linked deposits in dead
> neurons via autopsy.
> >>
> >> SO, even after all the reading,  I choose to cook
> my food in a seasoned
> >> cast iron skillet, and I drink as much beer as
> possible from glass 
> >> bottles
> >> rather than from the aluminum can <grins>.
> >>
> >> Dann
> >>
> >> > Well.....still not as bad as the nitwit who
> wrote "The Arming of 
> >> America"
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >> > [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
> >> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:55 AM
> >> > To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
> >> > Subject: [TheForge] Aluminum pans and
> Alzheimers (was: Iron in the 
> >> Fire)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Rumor from a reliable source (a PhD chemist
> friend who worked among 
> >> other
> >> > things with scanning electron microscopy =
> "SEC", a technique that can
> >> > find
> >> > chemical elements on a sample surface) says
> that the "aluminum causes
> >> > Alzheirmers" is an urban legend originating
> from a stupidly done 
> >> piece of
> >> > research.
> >> >
> >> > It seems (so the rumor goes) that some
> researchers were scanning brain
> >> > slices from Alzheimers victims, and noticed
> aluminum concentrations in
> >> > brain
> >> > regions associated with the ailment.  Aha!,
> they said.  Except, they
> >> > didn't
> >> > bother checking with the scientists who
> prepared the brain slices.  It
> >> > seems
> >> > that those folks had used an
> aluminum-containing dye in the prep work.
> >> > Oops!
> >> >
> >> > Bottom line:  Aluminum in food is harmless.  By
> the time it gets into
> >> > food,
> >> > it's thoroughly oxidized and as inert as clay
> (of which it is a 
> >> principal
> >> > component).
> >> >
> >> > Yes, this sort of thing really happens.  In
> Nature magazine, back in 
> >> the
> >> > 70's, was published an article refuting a study
> in which some sort of
> >> > learning behavior in cats, along the lines
> oflike rats hitting bars 
> >> to get
> >> > food or brain stimulas rewards.  The doofus who
> set up the study used
> >> > verticle bars that the cats would rub up
> against.  He didn't take into
> >> > account that cats will rub up against ANYTHING
> for social reasons.  His
> >> > study results were garbage.  Anytime a
> researcher walked into the room,
> >> > the
> >> > cats would rub against the bars!
> >> >
> >> > Bruce
> >> > NJ
> >> >
> >> >>>> rick at smokyforge.com 3/8/2007 6:49 PM >>>
> >> > With all the information about Alzheimer's
> (sp?) I wouldn't like to eat
> >> > anything off aluminum.  My dad has that damned
> disease.
> >> >
> >> > Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge
> >> > Home of Lem the Wonder Mule and
> >> > Mol ASS es the slow Donkey
> >> > in the middle of Northern Illinois
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Jerry Frost" <frosty at customcpu.com>
> >> > To: "Sponsored by ABANA"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:53 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Iron in the Fire
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> From: "Woolley" <wjec at verizon.net>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Terry,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mild steel plate won't eventually warp and
> crumble with everyday use?
> >> >>> 3/8 is going to be too heavy. Maybe I'm being
> clue less here given 
> >> the
> >> >>> prevalence of  metal cookware made of AL,
> stainless etc., but I'm
> >> >>> thinking of what happened to mild steel when
> I used it to repair
> >> >>> andirons, it burned up. This is something
> that will be used alot in a
> >> >>> commercial kitchen.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bill
> >> >>>
> 
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