[TheForge] Aluminum pans and Alzheimers (was: Iron in the Fire)OT

Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer artgawk at thegrid.net
Sun Mar 11 02:11:03 EST 2007 

Probably better off with the aluminum oxide than the plastic 
lining in the can..sigh.

Dave Smucker wrote:
> ">Aluminum is everywhere, in buffered asperin,  in deododerant, and 
> probably
>> some in the beer that I drank from a can last night."
> 
> You are right about aluminum being everywhere -- and in most cases your 
> contact is in the oxide form.  In this form it is very very hard to 
> break down to get the base metal.
> 
> As to the beer can, it is very unlikely you got any aluminum from the 
> can.  The inside of cans are 100 percent coated.  Yes the coating can 
> fail -- but you will know it.  The beer would "taste", and other drinks 
> -- we used to call them "hard to hold" will eat a hole in the can.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> From: dann at wctatel.net
>> Reply-To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Aluminum pans and Alzheimers (was: Iron in the 
>> Fire)
>> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:44:32 -0600 (CST)
>>
>>
>> Welders, as a profession, have the highest incidence of Parkinson's 
>> Disease.
>>
>> Some believe it is related to the metal oxides we breath while working.
>>
>> There is some relation between Parkinson's Disease,  Lewy Body Dimentia
>> and Alzheimers' Diementia , in that all three have dying neurons being
>> plugged up with mal-formed proteins, that can't seem to be excreted 
>> across
>> cell membranes.
>>
>> Aluminum is everywhere, in buffered asperin,  in deododerant, and 
>> probably
>> some in the beer that I drank from a can last night.
>>
>> What Bruce was talking about is documented on the Alzheimer's web page,
>> linked below.
>>
>> <http://www.alz.org/documents/national/FSAluminum.pdf>
>>
>> Besides the aluminum salts, Alzheimers has also linked with toxic effects
>> of some copper salts and also with iron.
>>
>> Still: the key diagnositic of Alzheimers is the presence of amyloid
>> deposits, aluminum linked deposits in dead neurons via autopsy.
>>
>> SO, even after all the reading,  I choose to cook my food in a seasoned
>> cast iron skillet, and I drink as much beer as possible from glass 
>> bottles
>> rather than from the aluminum can <grins>.
>>
>> Dann
>>
>> > Well.....still not as bad as the nitwit who wrote "The Arming of 
>> America"
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> > [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
>> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:55 AM
>> > To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
>> > Subject: [TheForge] Aluminum pans and Alzheimers (was: Iron in the 
>> Fire)
>> >
>> >
>> > Rumor from a reliable source (a PhD chemist friend who worked among 
>> other
>> > things with scanning electron microscopy = "SEC", a technique that can
>> > find
>> > chemical elements on a sample surface) says that the "aluminum causes
>> > Alzheirmers" is an urban legend originating from a stupidly done 
>> piece of
>> > research.
>> >
>> > It seems (so the rumor goes) that some researchers were scanning brain
>> > slices from Alzheimers victims, and noticed aluminum concentrations in
>> > brain
>> > regions associated with the ailment.  Aha!, they said.  Except, they
>> > didn't
>> > bother checking with the scientists who prepared the brain slices.  It
>> > seems
>> > that those folks had used an aluminum-containing dye in the prep work.
>> > Oops!
>> >
>> > Bottom line:  Aluminum in food is harmless.  By the time it gets into
>> > food,
>> > it's thoroughly oxidized and as inert as clay (of which it is a 
>> principal
>> > component).
>> >
>> > Yes, this sort of thing really happens.  In Nature magazine, back in 
>> the
>> > 70's, was published an article refuting a study in which some sort of
>> > learning behavior in cats, along the lines oflike rats hitting bars 
>> to get
>> > food or brain stimulas rewards.  The doofus who set up the study used
>> > verticle bars that the cats would rub up against.  He didn't take into
>> > account that cats will rub up against ANYTHING for social reasons.  His
>> > study results were garbage.  Anytime a researcher walked into the room,
>> > the
>> > cats would rub against the bars!
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> > NJ
>> >
>> >>>> rick at smokyforge.com 3/8/2007 6:49 PM >>>
>> > With all the information about Alzheimer's (sp?) I wouldn't like to eat
>> > anything off aluminum.  My dad has that damned disease.
>> >
>> > Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge
>> > Home of Lem the Wonder Mule and
>> > Mol ASS es the slow Donkey
>> > in the middle of Northern Illinois
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jerry Frost" <frosty at customcpu.com>
>> > To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:53 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Iron in the Fire
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> From: "Woolley" <wjec at verizon.net>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Terry,
>> >>>
>> >>> Mild steel plate won't eventually warp and crumble with everyday use?
>> >>> 3/8 is going to be too heavy. Maybe I'm being clue less here given 
>> the
>> >>> prevalence of  metal cookware made of AL, stainless etc., but I'm
>> >>> thinking of what happened to mild steel when I used it to repair
>> >>> andirons, it burned up. This is something that will be used alot in a
>> >>> commercial kitchen.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bill
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No, mild steel will work fine, it seasons like cast iron and unless 
>> you
>> >> leave it outside it'll last generations.
>> >>
>> >> If you want to make it lighter than say 1/4"(?) I don't know how 
>> thin is
>> >> too thin for a griddle, you'll want to put a rim around it to help
>> >> prevent
>> >> warpage. Putting most of the rim under the cooking face will help trap
>> >> heat from the burners and is probably a good idea no matter how thick
>> >> you
>> >> make it.
>> >>
>> >> The best argument for using thicker steel, cast iron, aluminum, 
>> etc. is
>> >> it's cooking properties. The thicker the griddle the more even the 
>> heat
>> >> and the less it'll chill when cold food hits it. The griddle on my
>> >> Viking
>> >> range top is around 1 1/8" cast aluminum and produces pro results.
>> >>
>> >> Frosty
>> >> -------------------------------
>> >> If it ain't forged
>> >> it ain't real.
>> >> Wrought iron is.
>> >> The FrostWorks
>> >>
>> >> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.artmetalradio.com/
>> >>
>> >
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