[TheForge] Diesel Gas Question

[Woolley]

Dann,

What is the point of using soap?  You're basically displacing combustables 
with water, right?

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>
> Dan,
>
> "making kerosene"
>
> I've been lucky and welded a bunch of old 55 gallon oil barrels without an
> explosion.  I squirted some dish soap in the bottom of the barrel, and put
> a hose in and filled the barrel up with water.   Then, without draining
> the soapy water, I welded.
>
> Rather than get water in your barrel, and then waste 4 gallons of diesel,
> why not make a chain sling to hoist it?  Or think of the chain keepers
> that hold your oxy acetylene tanks to the cart.  Shouldn't be hard to a
> barrel lift hook bar with a foot under the barrel and a couple of chains
> that hold it that way.
>
> There are also special hooks made for moving 55 gallon barrels. Maybe even
> Harborfreight probably sells them.  Your friend that sold you the barrel
> probably has something you could look at for an idea.   Maybe you could
> make one like it, easier than worrying about welding on the barrel?
>
> A 55 gallon drum of oil weighs over 300 pounds, but they rock and roll.
> I've moved a lot of them alone, with just muscle while they were full.
>
> **
> We lost electricity for about 80 hours with last weekend's ice storm. We
> are having  another ice storm as I write this.
>
> At my local hardware store, I bought the last gallon kerosene jug, and it
> was  -synthetic kerosene- last week.  We had power lines down, and my oil
> lanterns were half full from perhaps 6 or 7 years ago.  I blended the
> "new" synthetic kerosene with the old stuff in my lanterns.
> Then thinking of the price of the new stuff: It was $9.99 for a gallon, I
> remembered back nearly 30 years.
>
> Note, Burning any unvented heater, or even a kerosene lantern in a modern
> well insulated home in't wonderful for air quality. I've always had
> kerosene laterns, in old drafty homes.  Our home now is so tight, that we
> only burned the lanterns, even with new store bought kerosene,  for a few
> hours at a time.
>
> First off, diesel fuel, gas, kerocene, are all vegetable soup carbon
> compounds, but the product has a blended -mean- average- flamability.
>
> Back in the  oil crisis days of the late 1970s,  my local fuel guy told me
> that the kerocene that he sold was a blend of 90% #1 fuel oil ( #1 diesel
> ) and 10% unleaded gas.  ( Mix well before initial use).
>
> The point is that the new, ( pale green )  low-sulfer diesel fuel that I
> get at pumps in Iowa is a winter blend of approximately 50% #1 and 50% #2
> diesel.   I took a gallon -gas can- and poured 12 ounces of unleaded gas
> into. Then I filled it with my winter ( low sulfer) diesel blend.  In my
> opinion, it looked like kerosene, and burned like kerosene in my lantern.
> I Shook it up, let stand, and shook it up again  before pouring in my
> lantern and lighting the wick <grins>.
>
> I did my experimentation in a well ventilated area, as I was satisfied
> with the results.  As they say, "Don't do this at your kitchen table"
>
> Dann
>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> I just picked up a 55 gallon drum and a hand crank fuel pump so I can buy
>> kerosene in bulk.  I planned on welding on some sturdy rings (1/2 stock)
>> around
>> the top of the empty barrel so I can load/unload onto/off of my pickup
>> using a
>> block and tacklle hanging from a beam.
>>
>> The problem:  The kerosene dealer thought he was doing me a favor when he
>> gave
>> me a used drum rather than having to buy a new drum.  The used drum
>> contains
>> about a 4 gallons of Diesel fuel.  I am going to drain the drum but I 
>> know
>> if
>> it had been filled with gasoline, the fumes alone could blow up in my
>> face......So....How volatile is this sutff? I'll drain it first, but
>> should I
>> fill it to overflowing with soapy water before I weld it?  I would do 
>> that
>> if
>> it had been filled with gas.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Dan
>>
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