[TheForge] NJ Fairgrounds - Attn: Phlip

[Dave Mudge]

Dan,
I thought it was a camp ground rather than a fair ground.
Didn't know there was a Feris Wheel.
ABANA is NOT the SCA. Y'all need to stop making that comparison.
Dan, I hope with all my heart that it would work, but it's sorta like
the first time kid that comes into your shop and announces, "I wanna
make a sword."
I didn't ask for input, Clare did. How many board members are giving
you feedback?
dave m

On 2/28/07, Dan Scheid <damales at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> IT is a Fair ground for Christ sake! Go to one and watch the Ferris wheel
> As for set uptime the SCA GWW war on the west coast has 20- rented tent,
> camp roads 50-100 port-Potty 3 shower trucks and many other things. The set
> up voluntary come in on Sunday and the event starts on that Tuesday. Dave
> you really come across with a "this will not work" attitude. If you want
> ABANA to stop with the conference fine. But don't ask for input
> Dan Scheid
> Who is hosting an event on my land for 500+ in April/
> //
> ......It takes a every minute of a solid week in advance to set-up a
> conference and then Wed - Sun for the actual event then two - three
> days to tear it down and pack it up. How many days does $2,000 cover?
> >
> > What I told them was essentially a long weekend for the event itself,
> > total of a week to include set up and break down- not sure where some
> > estimates are wanting to take 3 weeks for set up and teardown.
>
> ......What sort of foundations do they have for big air hammers? Can
> we get the fuel trucks in to refuel the generators and air
> compressors? Is the ground solid enough for cranes and fork lifts and
> pegs for large tents? More than one vendor operates out of a semi.
> Will they get stuck? What is the local availability and price of BIG
> generators, BIG air compressors, rough terrain cranes and fork lifts,
> hundreds of feet of 2 inch (or larger) air hose, hundreds of feet of
> electric cable, tents, bleachers, water, propane, coal, fans for "cool
> tents" for old people, steel, rentals for welding, burning, and
> general fabrication equipment? What about facilities for registration,
> with high speed computer and telephone lines, ABANA and Conference
> sales. These areas must be lockable at night. Can't forget computer
> and phone lines for the majority of the vendors. We have indoor
> vendors and outdoor vendors. The indoor vendors want to be able to
> lock their area after hours. Where do the galleries go? Don't forget
> lighting, display and dry for the galleries. We will need at least
> half-a-dozen class / lecture rooms with seating and Power Point
> capabilities. Where are we going to hold the auction? (seating, audio
> / video, computer  / phone lines to process credit cards, lighting,
> secure and dry storage and display area) Is this camping area covered
> by "wireless" so that we can run the credit cards and the vendors can
> run their credit card sales and we can run the world-wide web cam? OR,
> will we have to hard wire telephone lines for all of that? ( dsl?)
> What are the local fire / safety codes? Will a group of this size
> require hired security? EMS? We will need at least 10 port-a-pots and
> a service plan. What about parking? public transportation? Contracts
> with food vendors and all of the above mentioned equipment and
> supplies.
> ......See the above comment. Still think that it won't take a week to
> set it up? I am sure that I haven't covered half of what is really
> involved in putting together an ABANA conference. It must be done in
> an organized and professional way. It is after all the ABANA member's
> money that we are spending.
> >
> dave mudge
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