[TheForge] RE: Deep draw steel Stick rod vs mig

[Washington, Aubrey O.]

Does anyone know what 55 gal. steel drums are made of?  It seems to be very low carbon, soft steel.

Aubrey

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From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net [theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer [artgawk at thegrid.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [TheForge] RE: Deep draw steel  Stick rod vs mig

Hi Dave;
Thanks for your response...yes, i'm using tie wire now for that
reason and it helps a bit.
I've been a low-income ,junkyard sculptor for so many years that
it's hard for me to spend the money to get deep draw steel
shipped out here...But given the number of hours i end up
investing in a given piece, it's clearly false economy ( again)
on my part.
You are probably pointing me in the right direction...thank you...pf


David E. Smucker wrote:
> Peter,  Have you tried welding deep drawing steel - using TIG and using
> soft tie wire for the rod.  (tie wire used to tie concrete rebar.)   It
> is close to the same steel as deep drawing steel.  Using this for rod
> your parent metal must be very clean because there are no additives in
> the tie wire --  just plain low carbon steel.
>
> Dave
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] RE: Stick rod vs mig (Larry Brown)
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>> When forging hollow body pieces..synclastic forming sort of stuff
>> where the steel is really pushed to it's limits....I've had great
>> difficulty continuing to work previously welded areas.
>> Crack repair most commonly is where i encounter problems.
>> I've tried different kinds of welding (MIG,TIG,stick, gas,), filler
>> material, prep, post weld grinding, heat treating...most everything i
>> could think of over the years.
>> Some techniques work better than others, but none work well.
>> I've not been using deep draw steel however.
>> Sure would welcome a solution.
>>
>> tbrforge wrote:
>>>    Larry,
>>>     I  have  noticed  that  Mig  welded then hammered left an
>>> undercut or
>>>    inclusive  like  zone  around  the  outside  HAZ (heat affected
>>> zone).
>>>    However,  I  regularly  TIG  joints,  especially on small joints
>>> and a
>>>    little  hammer  work  blends  the weld almost invisibly. It rivals
>>> the
>>>    cosmetics of a good forge weld. That is my opinion.
>>>    Terry
>>>    TBRForge
>>>    Athens Ga.
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