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[Jim Beard]

Haha, I agree.  Also, I think we should drug test 'em!

Jim
Eugene, OR

On Dec 20, 2007 12:48 PM, Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer
<artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
> I propose that any president,legislator or powerful govt employee
> should have to live on the mean national income for the rest of
> their lives when they step down from office....grin
>
>
> Jim Beard wrote:
> > They were arguing about retro-active immunity for any crimes that the
> > Telcos might have committed while helping the Bush administration
> > wiretap domestic citizens inside the US without warrants.  The Telcos
> > are afraid their customers are going to sue them for infringing their
> > rights, and they and the Bush administration want them to be immune
> > from lawsuits.  They briefly discussed a 'compromise' where if the
> > Telco got sued, the US Government would stand in their place in court.
> >  Not really a compromise if you ask me.
> >
> > Anyway, listening to Orin Hatch was kind of disgusting.  He just kept
> > droning on about how corporations need to be able to do what the
> > government asks them to do with out being afraid that they will get
> > prosecuted for it, regardless of the legality I guess.  Orin Hatch
> > never mentioned the private citizens, he just kept saying
> > 'corporation, corporation, corporation, corporation" ad nauseam.
> >
> > Chris Dodd forced a long debate about the bill, and it was eventually
> > pulled, and will be re-issued in January, when there is more time to
> > debate it.
> >
> > Jim
> > Eugene, OR
> >
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2007 4:52 PM, Andrew Vida <osan at netlabs.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim Beard wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yesterday, Senators like Orin Hatch were up arguing that corporations
> >>> bottom lines are more important then an individuals guaranteed
> >>> constitutional rights.  It sounded like a screw job to me.
> >>         Huh?  What were they saying?
> >>
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