[TheForge] Carring Propane in a car

[Ben Barrett]

Grover, Jerry, Grant:  thanks to you all for the feedback.
Seems like the best thing I can do in my sedan, since I'm
private/non-commercial use, is to keep the auto light OFF, keep those
windows cracked, and SMELL before even re-opening if I have to park
somewhere with any tanks inside.  Acet seems handy since I've got a
moonroof and that stuff rises.... but propane sinks (ha ha, and stinks
by additive).  Mostly I just need the practical advice for survival,
but am curious about the laws & regulations :)
BTW, Oregon is [still] a fun state for vehicles, still, at least in
the private citizen realm, and outside of Portland metro area.... no
annual inspections, and you don't even need a windshield or hood on
the auto!  Portland has emissions testing but I think that's about it.
 I'm sure commercial vehicles have many more regs, for all the reasons
stated in those helpful responses.

<lifts beer to good health & long life, prost>

ben


On 8/14/07, Grant Marcoux <gblacksmith at alamedanet.net> wrote:
> Federal laws come into play when there is interstate commerce.  If there is
> no commerce, there is no federal regulatory scheme in place.
>
>  Generally, the feds regulate the construction of pressure vessels and the
> licensing of commercial drivers.  One reason private citizens are often
> exempt from federal oversight is due to the limited quantity exemptions.
> e.g.:  a compressed gas aerosol can is reclassified to "ORM" (other
> regulated materials) class "D" befcause of the small amounts shipped per
> container.
>
>   State and federal agencies don't want to regulate the activities of
> private citizens not engaged in commerce, for the most part, so they have
> placed these limited quantity exemptions in the regulations
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Ben Barrett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Carring Propane in a car
>
>
> So is there a handy place to look up transport laws across multiple
> states, for propane, acetylene, etc?
> (I've heard rumors that pressurized oxy is not as regulated, dunno)
> And then, what laws come into effect when you go inter-state?  Fed, or
> just the next state?
>
> I s'pose if you get hassled, you could park a block or three away and
> walk up to the business with a hand-truck/dolly, what would they have
> to say then?  I've not had to sign, but have been cautious in my old
> sedan.... I treat that thing like a truck, but haven't taken a sawzall
> to the roof yet!
> I always keep my bottle diagonal in back, so the tanks are never
> "pointed" at the drivers seat.  Still need to make some little jigs,
> thouh, to keep them from rolling around -- I've just been stuffing
> cruft to hold them in place when I need a refill so far.... and I
> always try to have the tank out & ready for the refill/swap before the
> service guy comes around.  Haven't had to sign anything in Oregon.  I
> started with small (B/40) oxy/acet tanks, thinking they're handy, but
> am getting wise to the extra cost now, wow.  Those little tanks feel
> more dangerous too (no caps, for one thing).
> Oh, and as for your block going boom, Marc, one tank alone could do
> that, with [im]proper arrangements.... hard to say what your
> collection is capable of.
>
> ben
>
>
> On 8/10/07, Jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net> wrote:
> > In Alaska, it's illegal to sell someone flammable gas
> > if they intend to transport it in an enclosed vehicle.
> > All containers have to be properly secured as well. The
> > rules get "bent" regularly but not in the larger
> > cities.
> >
> > If you have to transport it with an enclosed vehicle a
> > roof rack would be my choice.
> >
> > Frosty
> >
> > From: "James Binnion" <jbin at well.com>
> >
> >
> > >I don't know about propane as I have it delivered but
> > >my gas supplier  has signs up saying they will not
> > >even sell you acetylene if you are  not there in a
> > >open bed truck.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
>
>