[TheForge] Hydrogen storage (was: Hellooooooo!)

[Rich Maynard]

Cheap hydrogen is available in countries like Iceland with virtually free
hydroelectric/geothermal power generation. It's just moving it around that's
difficult.

Rich M.

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> --- Bruce Freeman <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com> wrote:
> 
> > Other technologies than presurization or
> > liquification seem more
> > promising.  Metal hydrides.  Adsorbed hydrogen.  I'm
> > not up on the
> > details, but these ideas offer the possibility of
> > much denser hydrogen
> > storage.
> > 
> > I suspect, however, that the minute cheap hydrogen
> > becomes available,
> > someone will come up with a neat method of combining
> > it with coal, maybe
> > even underground coal, to produce hydrocarbons -
> > propane, butane,
> > gasoline, or diesel fuel.  This won't fix the
> > greenhouse gas problem,
> > but will make a hell of a lot more "petroleum"
> > available right here in
> > the hew hess of hay.
> > 
> > Bruce
> > NJ
> > 
> > >>> jbin at well.com 5/7/2006 10:18:43 PM >>>
> > 
> > On May 6, 2006, at 11:36 AM, The Millers wrote:
> > 
> > > It will drive nuclear power back into the
> > forefront. EVEN South
> > > Africa is starting to build graphite core pebble
> > bed reactors.
> > >
> > > I would seriously consider stock in Areva!! They
> > are now the leader
> > 
> > > in WORLD on nuclear energy.
> > >
> > > Then we produce hydrogen via electrolysis and run
> > our cars on
> > > hydrogen.
> > 
> > 
> > As was pointed out today on another list I am on
> > there is a rather
> > significant problem with hydrogen power. It takes
> > about 320 cu ft of  
> > hydrogen at atmospheric pressure to equal the BTU's
> > in a gallon of  
> > gasoline. One of the large pressurized gas cylinders
> > holds about 300  
> > cu ft at 2300 psi you would need 15 of those to be
> > about equivalent  
> > of 15 gallon gas tank, each one is about 100 lbs
> > mass so carrying  
> > enough hydrogen to power your car over any
> > significant distance is a  
> > big logistical problem.  Go to
> > http://mb-soft.com/public2/ 
> > hydrogen.html and read. There are technologies being
> > discussed to  
> > make it where you could cary a greater volume of
> > hydrogen but I am  
> > not feeling wonderful about 5000 psi gas cylinders
> > or tanks of liquid 
> > 
> > hydrogen in my car in an accident.
> > 
> > It sounds like a great idea but there are some
> > significant problems
> > to be overcome before you will be filling up with
> > hydrogen
> > 
> > James Binnion
> > jbin at well.com
> > 
> > 
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