[TheForge] glass doors

roger olsen erik at methow.com
Sat Jun 10 19:02:28 EDT 2006 

tempered glass meets all codes for firedoors where I live,  it also does not 
break in shards, just crumbles like auto glass.  At some point I rely on 
reason and common sense,   I do not install mattresses at the bottom of 
stairs either.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Tull" <dantull at numail.org>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors


> How about liability on any glass less than Pyrex?
> What's to keep owner from closing doors during roaring fire, and exploding 
> glassall over the grandkids?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] glass doors
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>>
>> Thanks Roger,  This is all helpful.
>>
>> Any in put on the glass?
>>
>> I seem to remember someone told me there was: tempered - which was the
>> cheapest
>>
>> Then high heat - best as far as affordable direct fire exposure
>>
>> Then the ceramic - best but costly.
>>
>> Are these the three catagories of glass for fire exposure? ......Or which
>> glass do you use in your doors?
>>
>> Do you leave the angles outside the glass perimeter a certain distance? -
>> what I'm asking here is do you leave some kind of room for expansion?
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of roger olsen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 5:30 PM
>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors
>>
>>
>> when I slide the glass down the frame made by the 1/8 by 1/2 angle I 
>> simply
>> cut a piece of the gray stove gasket rope that is round on the back side 
>> of
>> the glass and under the angle,  it holds everything nice and tight tucked
>> back in there.  They do make a gasket that is gutter shaped and you can 
>> wrap
>> around the edge of the glass but that holds the glass back and away from 
>> the
>> door frames and just does not look as tight and clean.
>>
>> In the tourist / vacation valley that I live there are only two masons, 
>> both
>> exclusively build Rumford of Rumford hybrid fireplaces,  this means the 
>> fire
>> cannot be burned with the doors shut.  I do whatever the client or 
>> designer
>> for architect  or builder wants and there are many options.  Most common 
>> is
>> a metal curtain that is mounted to the back side of the top horizontal of
>> the subframe.  My hinges are designed so the doors can be lifted off if 
>> one
>> wishes or burned just swung open.
>>
>> Another option is fixed screen panels that can be slid in when the glass 
>> is
>> slid out.  I sandwich the screen between two pieces of 1/2 by 1/8th flat
>> stock riveted to all four edges.
>>
>> Yes,  double hinges can be built for glass and screens,  I have never 
>> built
>> this kind,  have looked closely at maybe four different versions that I 
>> have
>> seen and must say I have never seen any of these that I thought came out
>> nice, clean, and really looking right.....................just my 
>> opinion.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> Ps.  if you google Rumford fireplace you will find the home page for 
>> Rumford
>> with a link to photos of many hand made fireplace door sets.  I am not 
>> sure
>> if they are still there but some of mine had ended up there as well.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:57 AM
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] glass doors
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Roger, Thanks for the three sided slide in info on the angles - I've
>>> seen this used on masonry furnace doors my buddy does. The sealing 
>>> gasket
>>> was a mystery to me as it was all welted in rope - and this grey 
>>> material
>>> you mention is something I'd like to know more about.
>>>
>>> When you say the grey colored gasket stuff is this something the glass
>>> supplier provides for you? or did you purchase this seperate from 
>>> McMaster
>>> or another
>>> similar industrial supplier? or is this material a refractory supplier
>>> that
>>> you use?
>>>
>>> If you have time, I know you've posted the three glass types for fire
>>> exposure before (but I'll be damned if I can find them).  Being as I'm
>>> being
>>> asked to
>>> do one of these screen & glass combo covers, would you have that info
>>> again
>>> on the glasses?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info you've got as someone that's done over 30 of these
>>> sure
>>> has a lot more knowledge than me attempting my first glass enclosure.
>>>
>>> I've also heard that using the same pintle with an L bracket hinge to 
>>> the
>>> rear screen allows both door units to swing out and be inside each other
>>> when closed (screen in and glass out - then when open the glass is 
>>> against
>>> the outer hearth/chimney, and the screen is in use or can be opened more
>>> than 90 degrees for ease of loading.  Is this how you approach this as
>>> well?
>>>
>>> I remember you sent me some nice picture of the hinges you made - but it
>>> was
>>> for one set of doors - what have you done for swinging both doors when
>>> requested?  Of have you done just screen or glass and not both?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of roger olsen
>>> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:16 AM
>>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors
>>>
>>>
>>> I mount my glass behind the doors in a frame of 1/8th by 1/2 inch angle
>>> that
>>> is welded to the back of the doors on the two sides and the bottom.  The
>>> glass is held tight by fireplace gasket material, the gray cloth stuff.
>>> The
>>> glass just slides into the frame behind the doors and his held snug by 
>>> the
>>> gasket fabric.  Works great,  I have built around 3 dozen fire door sets
>>> this way with never a problem.
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "paul" <forge at wi.rr.com>
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>>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wayne Ackman wrote:
>>>>> I am finishing a set of fireplace doors,  I have the glass from the
>>>>> cutters and it sets in with about 1/4" space around all sides, a bit
>>>>> more
>>>>> than I wanted but....  I am wondering about the best way to fix the
>>>>> glass
>>>>> in the frame.  I could set straps across the corners and screw them 
>>>>> on.
>>>>> Would allow the glass to be replaced if necessary,  but would detract
>>>>> from the design.  Or I could caulk it in, which would help with the
>>>>> space
>>>>> between the glass and the frame,  but I don't know what the heat would
>>>>> do
>>>>> to that.  Nothing good, that I can imagine.  I am not coming up with 
>>>>> an
>>>>> idea that I like so was wondering if you all might...
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
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>>>> Don't know if it helps, but stained glass pieces installed in lead
>>>> channels are locked in place with plaster of Paris. Might be a solution
>>>> for your application. High temp silicones sounds like a good idea, but
>>>> they are so PERMANENT. Better have every thing in place... the first
>>>> time.
>>>> Seems as if the largest problem would be the different expansion ratios
>>>> of
>>>> glass and metal. Some means of allowing for expansion would seem like a
>>>> good idea...
>>>> Paul Sperbeck
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