[TheForge] glass doors

Sat Jun 10 18:39:56 EDT 2006

How about liability on any glass less than Pyrex?
What's to keep owner from closing doors during roaring fire, and exploding 
glassall over the grandkids?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] glass doors

>
> Thanks Roger,  This is all helpful.
>
> Any in put on the glass?
>
> I seem to remember someone told me there was: tempered - which was the
> cheapest
>
> Then high heat - best as far as affordable direct fire exposure
>
> Then the ceramic - best but costly.
>
> Are these the three catagories of glass for fire exposure? ......Or which
> glass do you use in your doors?
>
> Do you leave the angles outside the glass perimeter a certain distance? -
> what I'm asking here is do you leave some kind of room for expansion?
>
> Ralph
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of roger olsen
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 5:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors
>
>
> when I slide the glass down the frame made by the 1/8 by 1/2 angle I 
> simply
> cut a piece of the gray stove gasket rope that is round on the back side 
> of
> the glass and under the angle,  it holds everything nice and tight tucked
> back in there.  They do make a gasket that is gutter shaped and you can 
> wrap
> around the edge of the glass but that holds the glass back and away from 
> the
> door frames and just does not look as tight and clean.
>
> In the tourist / vacation valley that I live there are only two masons, 
> both
> exclusively build Rumford of Rumford hybrid fireplaces,  this means the 
> fire
> cannot be burned with the doors shut.  I do whatever the client or 
> designer
> for architect  or builder wants and there are many options.  Most common 
> is
> a metal curtain that is mounted to the back side of the top horizontal of
> the subframe.  My hinges are designed so the doors can be lifted off if 
> one
> wishes or burned just swung open.
>
> Another option is fixed screen panels that can be slid in when the glass 
> is
> slid out.  I sandwich the screen between two pieces of 1/2 by 1/8th flat
> stock riveted to all four edges.
>
> Yes,  double hinges can be built for glass and screens,  I have never 
> built
> this kind,  have looked closely at maybe four different versions that I 
> have
> seen and must say I have never seen any of these that I thought came out
> nice, clean, and really looking right.....................just my opinion.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Roger
>
> Ps.  if you google Rumford fireplace you will find the home page for 
> Rumford
> with a link to photos of many hand made fireplace door sets.  I am not 
> sure
> if they are still there but some of mine had ended up there as well.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] glass doors
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>>
>>
>> Hi Roger, Thanks for the three sided slide in info on the angles - I've
>> seen this used on masonry furnace doors my buddy does. The sealing gasket
>> was a mystery to me as it was all welted in rope - and this grey material
>> you mention is something I'd like to know more about.
>>
>> When you say the grey colored gasket stuff is this something the glass
>> supplier provides for you? or did you purchase this seperate from 
>> McMaster
>> or another
>> similar industrial supplier? or is this material a refractory supplier
>> that
>> you use?
>>
>> If you have time, I know you've posted the three glass types for fire
>> exposure before (but I'll be damned if I can find them).  Being as I'm
>> being
>> asked to
>> do one of these screen & glass combo covers, would you have that info
>> again
>> on the glasses?
>>
>> Thanks for any info you've got as someone that's done over 30 of these
>> sure
>> has a lot more knowledge than me attempting my first glass enclosure.
>>
>> I've also heard that using the same pintle with an L bracket hinge to the
>> rear screen allows both door units to swing out and be inside each other
>> when closed (screen in and glass out - then when open the glass is 
>> against
>> the outer hearth/chimney, and the screen is in use or can be opened more
>> than 90 degrees for ease of loading.  Is this how you approach this as
>> well?
>>
>> I remember you sent me some nice picture of the hinges you made - but it
>> was
>> for one set of doors - what have you done for swinging both doors when
>> requested?  Of have you done just screen or glass and not both?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of roger olsen
>> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:16 AM
>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors
>>
>>
>> I mount my glass behind the doors in a frame of 1/8th by 1/2 inch angle
>> that
>> is welded to the back of the doors on the two sides and the bottom.  The
>> glass is held tight by fireplace gasket material, the gray cloth stuff.
>> The
>> glass just slides into the frame behind the doors and his held snug by 
>> the
>> gasket fabric.  Works great,  I have built around 3 dozen fire door sets
>> this way with never a problem.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "paul" <forge at wi.rr.com>
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>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] glass doors
>>
>>
>>> Wayne Ackman wrote:
>>>> I am finishing a set of fireplace doors,  I have the glass from the
>>>> cutters and it sets in with about 1/4" space around all sides, a bit
>>>> more
>>>> than I wanted but....  I am wondering about the best way to fix the
>>>> glass
>>>> in the frame.  I could set straps across the corners and screw them on.
>>>> Would allow the glass to be replaced if necessary,  but would detract
>>>> from the design.  Or I could caulk it in, which would help with the
>>>> space
>>>> between the glass and the frame,  but I don't know what the heat would
>>>> do
>>>> to that.  Nothing good, that I can imagine.  I am not coming up with an
>>>> idea that I like so was wondering if you all might...
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
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>>> Don't know if it helps, but stained glass pieces installed in lead
>>> channels are locked in place with plaster of Paris. Might be a solution
>>> for your application. High temp silicones sounds like a good idea, but
>>> they are so PERMANENT. Better have every thing in place... the first
>>> time.
>>> Seems as if the largest problem would be the different expansion ratios
>>> of
>>> glass and metal. Some means of allowing for expansion would seem like a
>>> good idea...
>>> Paul Sperbeck
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