[TheForge] Induction Forge? How much power does it take to run it?

Wed Aug 23 16:05:52 EDT 2006

The IF can draw 50amps. The problem with a generator is that it see's the IF 
as a resistive load. The IF senses variations in line voltage and freq.and 
will cut out. We spoke with Grant about this a few weeks ago, his response 
was negative.
-The unit is rated at 1500Kw and can put 600 amps into the work. It really 
is easy to put the work into the coil and not hit the coil and short it out. 
Putting two pieces into the coil butting them together at welding heat and 
doing a butt weld is trickier for me ,I cannot be chewing gum---- Steve 
kayne

Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Childers" <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com>
To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Induction Forge? How much power does it take to run 
it?

Steve Smith and Steve Kane,

I'm sure there would be enough interest- How big a generator does it take?
I'm only a peon, but I'll talk to the conference committee chairman about
renting one if that would work.

Ron Childers

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:50 PM
To: Sponsored by ABANA
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Induction Forge?

Is there enough interest for someone to rent a generator?

So Steve, how come the red hot bar in the picture of your unit doesn't
short out the coil? (Anvilfire news page 2)

Thanks,
Steve

Steve Kayne wrote:

> Unfortunately Barberville does not have power to operate the Induction
> Forge.  We are as upset as anyone as we were very interested in
> demonstrating it formerly and informerly.  I doubt that it will happen
> at Barberville even in the future as the electrical situation just is
> not there.
>
> We hope to be able to demonstrate it in Texas, at Grapevine.  Our
> experience is that they have the necessary 220 single phase and are very
> willing to hook us up.
>
> There is the possibility that we may be able to operate it at Madison, Ga.
>
> We very much wanted to demo it and FABA wanted us to do it.  It is just
> not in the cards.    A few FABA people have arrived at our shop and seen
> it in operation and that's led to the groundswell to show it
> Barberville.  We just don't get what we want every time.  Thats life.
>
> Wish you could see it.  It's magic.  Jock Dempsey should have photos
> from our meeting and my two hour demo up somewhere - Anvilfire or our
> site in the next few days.
>
> Steve Kayne
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Childers" <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com>
> To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Induction Forge?
>
>
> Steve Kane, are you going to bring an induction forge to the conference at
> Barberville, Florida October 20-22?
>
> Thanx, Ron Childers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kayne
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:53 PM
> To: Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Induction Forge?
>
> We have been using the induction forge in our shop for a few months now
and
> it is magic.   We forgeweld with it and it is an experience to see the
> process taking place before your eyes and having total control over it.
> Teaching someone to forge weld using the I. F. is light years ahead of
> using
>
> a coal or gas forge.  They can see the process taking place and you can
> explain what is going on and there is no thing between you preventing you
> from seeing everything that is going on.  The transition of the steel
being
> heated from magnetic to non magnetic is very dramatic and the I. F.
> indicates the transition very clearly.  We heat everything from 1/4" round
> to 1/4 x 2 1/2 so far in the I. F.   It is very quick.  30 seconds is a
> long
>
> time.  A lot happens in 5 or 8 seconds.   The heat is very localized and
> this permits certain forging operations to be done much easier than they
> have ever been done in the past, since the steel reacts in the restricted
> heated area and not in the unheated area, the area is heated so quickly
> that
>
> there is very little travel beyond the area under the coil.  We have not
> fully found out the limits and possibilities of the I. F.  as our jobs
have
> not taken us into enough varied areas.   What its limits are will be
> determined in time, but it is a fantastic tool and we enjoy finding out
> what
>
> it will do for us each day as we tackle that day's projects.   Like any
new
> tool, you have to think about it and determine if it has the
> capabilities to
>
> do that day's work.  So far we have found few times that it was unable
> to do
>
> the job better than and quicker than coal, gas, etc.  We solder with
> it,  we
>
> braze with it and of course forge weld with it, or maybe it is not called
> forge welding but magic.  As we test it further,  we will be happy to pass
> along our findings as I know Grant will and is.   The coils are very
> easy to
>
> make.  We use 3/16 and 1/4" copper tubing.  It is easy to form and we use
> the I. F. to solder it.  It is really done very quickly and reminds me,
for
> some strange reason, of making dies for the fly press.  Perhaps because
> like
>
> the fly press, without its dies or coils, it is useless and its
limitations
> are limited by what we dream up in the way of coils.   Sorry we are so
long
> winded, but as you can tell, we are very much enamered with I. F.    Where
> has it been all our lives.  It saved us a great deal of time and made our
> task easier so far and certainly a lot more fun.
>
> Steve Kayne
>
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