[TheForge] Bridge Crane

Jonathan Nedbor jonned at hvc.rr.com
Mon Sep 26 23:45:43 EDT 2005 

John,

It seems you and I are at the same stage in designing a shop, and the same 
span on the crane. I have looked into a bridge crane, as I want the 
convienience it offers. The down side is nothing can hang from the ceiling 
in it's path like electric lines etc.

I have gone to several commercial crane sites, and found that they want big 
bucks for a new crane, and won't talk to you unless you want it motorized.

I am looking for a used one, or will assemble one myself. How hard can it 
be? McMaster-Carr sells end trucks for the bridge. You need to build 
brackets to support the rails and decide if you want underhung or top 
running. Underhung is suitable for general light (regarding frequency) use. 
You will need to engineer the size of the beams for the span and loads. I 
would suggest looking at cranes in your area to scope out the beam sizes 
used.

Anyone else have any input regarding this, or know of any cranes for sale?

A question for Justin, can you describe the tables a bit more. How heavy, on 
what type of base, how clean and true is the surface, when do they need to 
be moved ........

Jonathan Nedbor
jonned at hvc.rr.com


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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:20:07 -0500
> From: "Rick Korinek" <rickkorinek at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Hammers Blow (Anvil weights)
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Where are you (they) located, Justin?
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
> Minocqua, WI
> islandcityforge.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
> To: <mspencer at tallships.ca>; "Sponsored by ABANA" 
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Hammers Blow (Anvil weights)
>
>
>> On the subject of huge steel blocks...
>>
>> I came across a couple of 750# chambersburg die blocks. According to
>> the $50 knife shop, you can kind of stack weight and get the effect of
>> a much bigger anvil. I'f heard folks here scoff at that idea, and at
>> the moment I can't try it. Anyone? Does it work?
>>
>> BTW (tiny commercial message) these things came as a package with 2
>> 5'x5' x 1" tabletops with a 4" deep gridwork on 1" underneath. Old
>> railroad stuff. Very rigid, and super heavy, too big for me to move
>> across the country. Anybody need a table or a big ol block of tool
>> steel?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> JRF
>>
>>
>>> ObSmithing: That big PW anvil turns out to be a 4 2 0, aka 504# plus
>>> the 400+# steel base.  Biiig bastid.
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:40:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Justin Fellenz <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Hammers Blow (Anvil weights)
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> I'm just outside of Washington, DC.
>
> --- Rick Korinek <rickkorinek at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Where are you (they) located, Justin?
>>
>> Rick Korinek
>> Island City Forge
>> Minocqua, WI
>> islandcityforge.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
>> To: <mspencer at tallships.ca>; "Sponsored by ABANA"
>> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Hammers Blow (Anvil weights)
>>
>>
>> > On the subject of huge steel blocks...
>> >
>> > I came across a couple of 750# chambersburg die blocks. According
>> to
>> > the $50 knife shop, you can kind of stack weight and get the effect
>> of
>> > a much bigger anvil. I'f heard folks here scoff at that idea, and
>> at
>> > the moment I can't try it. Anyone? Does it work?
>> >
>> > BTW (tiny commercial message) these things came as a package with 2
>> > 5'x5' x 1" tabletops with a 4" deep gridwork on 1" underneath. Old
>> > railroad stuff. Very rigid, and super heavy, too big for me to move
>> > across the country. Anybody need a table or a big ol block of tool
>> > steel?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > JRF
>> >
>> >
>> >> ObSmithing: That big PW anvil turns out to be a 4 2 0, aka 504#
>> plus
>> >> the 400+# steel base.  Biiig bastid.
>> >>
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> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:44:45 -0500
> From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Dead List?
> To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Rick
> I mailed your DVDs of Ralph Sproul toady but to Emerald City Forge
> He went long onto a second DVD but as you were taping Bob Becker for me
> on Sunday I included part 2 as thanks.
> DVD two is Sunday of Bob Becker and Sunday Ralph along with both Friday
> night slides.
> Thanks again
>
> If anyone else is interested the list can be viewed at
> www.umbaonline.org
> Cost is $7 for the first and $5 each the rest of the order.
>
> Roger R Degner
>
>
>
> Possible reasons for silence on the list:  Quad States Round-up, Tunnel
> Mill
> Gathering...
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
> Minocqua, WI
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:23:20 -0500
> From: "Rick Korinek" <rickkorinek at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Dead List?
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> Roger,
> Did you send the DVDs to my Wisconsin address?  They will take about 2 
> weeks
> longer if sent to Framingham.
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
> Minocqua, WI
> islandcityforge.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
> To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:44 PM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Dead List?
>
>
>> Rick
>> I mailed your DVDs of Ralph Sproul toady but to Emerald City Forge
>> He went long onto a second DVD but as you were taping Bob Becker for me
>> on Sunday I included part 2 as thanks.
>> DVD two is Sunday of Bob Becker and Sunday Ralph along with both Friday
>> night slides.
>> Thanks again
>>
>> If anyone else is interested the list can be viewed at
>> www.umbaonline.org
>> Cost is $7 for the first and $5 each the rest of the order.
>>
>> Roger R Degner
>>
>>
>>
>> Possible reasons for silence on the list:  Quad States Round-up, Tunnel
>> Mill
>> Gathering...
>>
>> Rick Korinek
>> Island City Forge
>> Minocqua, WI
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:54:59 -0700
> From: Ries Niemi <rniemi at fidalgo.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Diacro bender parts
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> On Sep 24, 2005, at 5:39 AM, PlumDon at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Looking for some parts for my Diacro no.2 bender (forming nose, etc.)
>> but
>> Diacro has a 14 week wait for this part. Anyone aware of someone else
>> making
>> Diacro parts? I thought there had been talk of that once before but
>> cant recall
>> any details.
>>
>>
>
> Di-Acro parts are scarce as hens teeth. I am not aware of any
> aftermarket manufacturers.
> Di-Acro themselves are just hanging on by a thread- with 50 dollar
> harbor freight benders, its a tough sell trying to get people to buy
> new No. 2's for 2 grand or so.
> They have all the parts made to order now- there is no backstock of
> these parts.
> You might just have to invest in a mill and a lathe, and you can make
> your own tooling.
>
> There are a couple of other companies that make Hossfeld parts, but not
> Di-Acro.
>
> ries
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:35:22 -0400
> From: "Kevin D" <flyinpig at go-concepts.com>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Dead List?
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>
> Roger,
>
> What's the super secret code for the Sproul UMBA demo?...So I don't get 
> some
> other bearded man in overalls demo!
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Roger R Degner
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:45 PM
> To: 'Sponsored by ABANA'
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Dead List?
>
>
> Rick
> I mailed your DVDs of Ralph Sproul toady but to Emerald City Forge
> He went long onto a second DVD but as you were taping Bob Becker for me
> on Sunday I included part 2 as thanks.
> DVD two is Sunday of Bob Becker and Sunday Ralph along with both Friday
> night slides.
> Thanks again
>
> If anyone else is interested the list can be viewed at
> www.umbaonline.org
> Cost is $7 for the first and $5 each the rest of the order.
>
> Roger R Degner
>
>
>
> Possible reasons for silence on the list:  Quad States Round-up, Tunnel
> Mill
> Gathering...
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
> Minocqua, WI
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:10:33 -0500
> From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Dead List?
> To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>
> You have found me out
> The bearded man with overalls is RD102 and RD104
> Bob Becker who was at the same event but different part of the building
> is RD103 and RD104
> They both ran over 6 hours so I combines then into a second DVD which
> last 5 hours and 53 minutes
>
> Roger R Degner
>
>
>
>
> Roger,
>
> What's the super secret code for the Sproul UMBA demo?...So I don't get
> some other bearded man in overalls demo!
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:44:34 -0600
> From: John Switzer <switz at mindspring.com>
> Subject: [TheForge] bridge crane
> To: artgawk at thegrid.net, Sponsored by ABANA
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>, <RMSmiths at yahoogroups.com>
> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050926193820.03526010 at pop.mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
> I have the opportunity to build a new shop.  On the top of my wish list is
> a bridge crane.  Has anyone on the list ever built a bridge crane? is it a
> do it yourself project or should I just plan to hire it done?  The 
> building
> will probably be 30 x 40 in the main shop area and it seems like a 4000 lb
> crane should be enough (2000 lb may be OK).  Any and all advise is 
> welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> John Switzer
> Black Bear Forge
> 7019 Burnt Mill rd
> Beulah, CO 81023
> (719) 485-3109
> http://www.blackbearforge.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Justin Fellenz <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] bridge crane
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <20050927015715.93915.qmail at web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> A good friend of mine who runs a large shop has a couple of gantry
> cranes in the corners. Easy to build, much less complicated than a
> rolling bridge, and they work really well. Not quite the reach, though,
> of course. Just a tought.
>
> JRF
>
> --- John Switzer <switz at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the opportunity to build a new shop.  On the top of my wish
>> list is
>> a bridge crane.  Has anyone on the list ever built a bridge crane? is
>> it a
>> do it yourself project or should I just plan to hire it done?  The
>> building
>> will probably be 30 x 40 in the main shop area and it seems like a
>> 4000 lb
>> crane should be enough (2000 lb may be OK).  Any and all advise is
>> welcome.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> John Switzer
>> Black Bear Forge
>> 7019 Burnt Mill rd
>> Beulah, CO 81023
>> (719) 485-3109
>> http://www.blackbearforge.com
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:19:29 -0600
> From: John Switzer <switz at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] bridge crane
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050926201554.03533150 at pop.mindspring.com>
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> I have considered a couple of gantry cranes on wheels.  They would be
> easier and much cheaper to build.  But they probably wouldn't be an even
> substitute.  So if I ave the choice I'll go with the bridge crane.  Of
> course there may be times I'll wish I had both.  Of course I have seen a
> gantry crane tip over with a 50# little giant hanging under it, scared us
> half to death but didn't hurt the hammer.
>
> John
>
>
>>A good friend of mine who runs a large shop has a couple of gantry
>>cranes in the corners. Easy to build, much less complicated than a
>>rolling bridge, and they work really well. Not quite the reach, though,
>>of course. Just a tought.
>>
>>JRF
>>
>>--- John Switzer <switz at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I have the opportunity to build a new shop.  On the top of my wish
>> > list is
>> > a bridge crane.  Has anyone on the list ever built a bridge crane? is
>> > it a
>> > do it yourself project or should I just plan to hire it done?  The
>> > building
>> > will probably be 30 x 40 in the main shop area and it seems like a
>> > 4000 lb
>> > crane should be enough (2000 lb may be OK).  Any and all advise is
>> > welcome.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > John Switzer
>> > Black Bear Forge
>> > 7019 Burnt Mill rd
>> > Beulah, CO 81023
>> > (719) 485-3109
>> > http://www.blackbearforge.com
>> >
>> >
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> John Switzer
> 7019 Burnt Mill Rd
> Beulah, CO 81023
> (719) 485-3109
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:38:23 -0400
> From: <codpilot at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [TheForge] Gas forge Question
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:
> <20050927023823.VRIB28317.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net at mail.bellsouth.net>
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> In the book Gas Burners for Forges, Furnaces, and Kilns by Michael Porter
>
> He describes how to build a propane tank based forge. Now seeing that I 1)
> have no forge and 2) have two old propane tanks that everyone wants $$ to
> dispose of, just how difficult is this really?
>
> I've gone gently over the directions, and to start with, I haven't got a 
> clue
> how to fill the dang things with water?!?
>
> If you've built one of these guys, and have any tips, could ya drop me a 
> line?
>
> And as to why the list is dead, hmmm a good chunk of the south is 
> underwater,
> or dodging falling stuff. Might count for some of it. Also the Florida 
> folks
> are probably getting ready for the conference on the 7th. I know I'm 
> eager -
> heck I'm dragging my two sons too! (and I might add they are willing 
> participants - of course the Sunday pankcakes at Deleon springs might have 
> something to do with it! )
>
> Peace
> Eric Meyer
> codpilot at bellsouth.net
>
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