[TheForge] hot portable atmospheric forges may need propylene
Keporter at aol.com
Keporter at aol.com
Tue May 31 18:46:27 EDT 2005
Yes, atmospheric burners are self limiting, but no, they aren't limited by
the amount of oxygen they can draw in (any of these designs can be tuned to an
oxidizing flame). The limit is the amount of nitrogen--not oxygen--found
within the intake air. Nitrogen contributes nothing to combustion, and is
therefore a drag on the flame's energy density. This is the sole reason that
oxy/fuel flames are hottest. However, the theoretical limit of an air/propane flame
is listed as 3600 degrees, so you might not want to dismiss them out of
hand.
Liquid oxygen costs money to use. Quite a bit more money than the cost of
many fuels. If you want to take the temperature of an existing forge higher
than you can get by using the best of tube burners (correctly tuned), the best
IR coating (water separated ITC #100), and the best exhaust system (larger
openings with exterior baffles), then the next logical step is the use of
propylene fuel gas, rather than oxygen enrichment. Propylene will cost you about 40
percent more than small amounts of propane, but it is still only about 60
percent of the cost of MAPP gas; at least in Seattle. Propylene was rated
between 25 and 50 degrees of the temperature of MAPP. However, Air Liquide has
replaced the propane content in its formula with propylene, so this can no
longer hold true. In fact, I'll have to write them now and find out what the new
flame temperature of MAPP is supposed to be.
I have done a study of oxygen enrichment, and it works great as an
economical means of raising natural gas flame temperatures. With twenty percent
enrichment, you receive about a 1000 degree boost. That's an excellent investment,
when you factor in the low cost of NG. The reason enrichment works so well is
two fold: First, you get the biggest temperature increase for oxygen
enrichment at the lower end of a sliding scale; the upper end of that scale shows
only a 50 degree increase for the final twenty percent oxygen invested.
Secondly, the fuel it's commonly used with (natural gas) requires the least amount
of added oxygen (1.5 to 1) of any fuel but acetylene (1.1 or 1.2 to 1
depending on whose figures you use). Using it with propane, you would need 3.5 to 1
of added oxygen. Therefore, you can multiply the needed percent of added
oxygen by the difference between these figures; at this point switching to
propylene is not only looking simpler, but cheaper too. Propylene uses the same
fittings and regulators as propane. I have used it during burner tests, and it
will give the same comparative heat increase over propane with top flight
burners or ancient designs. On the other hand, my interest in propylene is for
hand torches and burners being used as hand torches, where ambient air can help
cool the SS nozzle. When you start running internal forge temperatures up to
the higher ranges for very long, you well most certainly melt the SS nozzles
right off your burners, so you want to use a good grade of ceramic to build
a burner port, with the nozzle shape incorporated, instead.
I have not bothered with recuperative schemes, because the temperature boost
simply isn't worth the added building expense and lack of design
flexibility, for ordinary forge work. Since, these higher temperatures are needed for
some projects, one of you might give them a second look. There is the Sandia
forge with plans already existing, but I think an all ceramic version would be
the best design. It would probably also work best with the ceramic nozzles
everyone will need to operate at the desired temperatures. However, it will
either need a tall stack or fan to suck hot air down into the furnace, and
neither scheme sounds very compatible with the word portable. In the meantime
propylene out on a demonstration site is a very minor cost compared to say a
hot-work permit, or even just your time and travel expenses :-)
Mike P.
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