[TheForge] OT biodiesel

[Chris Kilpatrick]

Justin,
     I followed the links and seems pretty doable.  The ingredients are not to exotic and should be readily available.  I am considering a biodiesel forge, so if anyone makes one, I would love to know about it.  I have neverused a liquid to fire my forge, so delivery, exhaust and combustion are all topics I would like to know more about.

-Chris K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT biodiesel
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:05:15 -0700 (PDT)

> 
> Yeah, Ries, I suspect you're right on the large scale. As someone else
> pointed out, sometimes it takes more energy and money to make the fuel
> than it generates. I have heard, though, that for the small-timer it
> can be done somewhat economically and easily. I'm just looking to run
> my tractor and maybe a truck. Haven't had a chance to look at the plans
> to see if it's feasible.
> 
> JRF
> --- Ries Niemi <rniemi at fidalgo.net> wrote:
> >
> > I gotta say, I am suspicious of this whole biodiesel thing-
> > As far as french fry oil, I cant imagine there is enough used cooking
> >
> > oil in the average town to supply 1/100th of a percent of the current
> >
> > diesel fuel consumption.
> > So for a few guys who feel like spending lots of time instead of
> > money, french fry oil will work- but it sure isnt a solution to 
> > oil consumption.
> >
> > And from what I have read, at current prices, it costs more to 
> > make biodiesel from plant material like corn than it does to buy 
> > diesel
> > fuel from refineries.
> > There are only two reasons so many biodiesel refining plants are
> > being built- government subsidies, which means we all pay extra 
> > so some farmers can burn more diesel to farm, and scams- it seems 
> > there is a company in Minnesota that develops and builds 
> > biodiesel refining plants-- using NONE of their own money- they 
> > go into a town, convince
> >
> > all the local farmers to mortgage their farms and houses to 
> > become "investors" in this big growth industry, then they pay 
> > themselves to build and manage what are money losing businesses. 
> > Once a critical
> > mass of farmers and locals have their futures tied up in these plants,
> > they start to lobby the state government to REQUIRE biodiesel for many
> > state vehicles, give it tax breaks, etc.
> > There are currently something like 50 of these plants either built or
> >
> > under construction in the midwest, and not a single one of them 
> > was built by big business- kinda makes you think somebody knows
> > something. Well, I heard Archer Daniels Midland did build one or two, but
> > totally paid for by government grants- none of their own money on the line.
> >
> > If all the gas and oil was used up, then biodiesel would make sense
> > as an alternative, but right now, there is a lot of smoke and 
> > mirrors around this one- its kind of like the 150mpg carburetors.
> >
> > ries
> >
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