[TheForge] Re: Heating with woodstove OT

Tue May 24 06:20:21 EDT 2005

Thanks Rick, I'll do that.

Ralph
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RICK KORINEK" <rickkorinek at rcn.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Heating with woodstove OT

> Ralph,
> One of the more efficient wood boilers is made by a company 
> call Charmaster, in Grand Rapids, MN.  Perhaps you can do 
> search and get some design tips to incorporate in yours.
> -Rick
> 
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:52:23 -0400
> >From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com> 
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: Heating with woodstove OT  
> >To: <mspencer at tallships.ca>, "Sponsored by ABANA" 
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >
> >Hi Mike,  I was very dissappointed this winter.  I locked all 
> the doors,
> >insulated them, went in and out of just one door, covered the 
> windows in
> >plastic, and kept the thermostat at 40 at night and 52-55 
> during the day
> >...........and really tried to keep the heat to it all winter to see 
> if it
> >would make a difference........and I just could NOT afford it 
> and turned it
> >off and dawned my insulated coveralls in March.   I gave it 
> an honest try -
> >but it just ain't gonna happen unless I can get an outside 
> boiler to heat
> >this place on free wood - but for the time it takes to load the 
> boiler.
> >
> >My shop has 6 inch insulation in all the walls, and a frost 
> wall foundation
> >tight to the walls, and 9 inches of insulation in the ceiling - 
> it's
> >frustrating as hell, as I was really comfortable for $150 to 
> 225 per month
> >for the past three winters......but this last one when our 
> dollar fell so
> >bad was killer.  I found heating it full time was way worse 
> than turning it
> >on each time I came in.........even with all the improvements 
> I made.  It
> >was less drafty, nice and workable - but just plain 
> unaffordable with the
> >high price of propane now.
> >
> >The thing that really scares me with the wood heat in the 
> shop - is four of
> >my friends have lost their shops to fire in the past three 
> years.   All at
> >night - due to chimney fires.  This is making me head in the 
> outside boiler
> >direction as I just can't afford enough insurance for full 
> replacement
> >value - last time I checked it was $4 per hundred.  Afraid I 
> just don't make
> >that kind of profit - like they do.
> >
> >The house I feel comfortable heating with wood like we 
> always have - as
> >there are nice masonry chimneys and we keep things clean 
> and run hot fires
> >before closing them down at night.  To run slow burning 
> stoves all night
> >with huge fireboxes thru metal pipe like most shops are set 
> up is too risky
> >to me - and I'm not going to spend 10 grand on a masonry 
> chimney to heat
> >with like the house has.
> >
> >I figure I've worked outside and in cold shops for all but the 
> past four
> >years of my life - so I'm going back to insulated coveralls or 
> the boiler
> >project - if I can complete it by next Dec.  I'm sure next 
> November's temps
> >will be motivational.   :-(
> >
> >Ralph
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Spencer" <mspencer at tallships.ca>
> >To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> >Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:32 PM
> >Subject: [TheForge] Re: Heating with woodstove OT
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the numbers on your heating setup, Ralph.  It'll 
> give me a
> >> starting point to ask questions here.  I expect to do 
> something for
> >> heat in my 1200 sq. ft. shop this year.  Ten ft. ceiling and 
> an upper
> >> story where Peggy has her looms.  We need to heat her 
> 600 sq. ft. more
> >> than mine -- weaving is fiddly finger-work and/or sitting-
> down work)
> >> but it would be nice to have my space up to 50 (or at least 
> 40)
> >> deg. F.  And I can't afford $400/mo propane bills either.
> >>
> >> Despite heating the house with wood, I don't want to go 
> with an indoor
> >> wood stove in the shop.  Don't want oil.  Mumble.....mutter.
> >>
> >> On the original question, I found that a 50-gal oil drum 
> wood stove
> >> would get my previous shop up to comfy (for all but fiddly 
> little
> >> finger-work) in about four hours, starting with all that iron
> >> heat-sink at ambient -- say, 5 to 20 deg. F.  Interior walls 
> but no
> >> insulation. If I'd had New England/N. Dakota outdoor 
> temps of 20 to 40
> >> below, It would have been totally useless.  Our coldest 
> spells here
> >> are c. -10 F. at night, 0 daytime.  Maybe 15 to 20 deg 
> warmer
> >> than northern NH.
> >>
> >> - Mike
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada       .~.
> >>                                                            /V\
> >> mspencer at tallships.ca                                     /( )\
> >> http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/                        ^^-^^
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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