[TheForge] A-Frame Cooking Iron (coherency and reading comprehension)

[Justin Fellenz]

ok, so we're *not* actually discussing how to make a frame work, but
how *this* one might have worked. Been away for a week so i was
skimming to catch up...been having blacksmithing withdrawal.
I'll be fine when the swelling goes down. 

I'm of the opinion that whoever noted that these woodcuts are
conceptual rather than factual had it on the money. Especially when you
take into account the fact that concepts we take for granted like
perspective and literal reproduction kind of developed over time and at
one point were either unknown or, in some cases, thought to the work of
the devil (mostly in music and language, but maybe in drawing as
well...I'm no art historian). We're a buncha gearheads in the 21st cent
ury. This artist was, what, a cook with an art hobby a long time ago.
Could be too he did this in recollection, or drawing the real thing was
too much work. No, I don't want to make another dozen leaves, maybe we
could just have one bunch of grapes?

Justin (what's coherence?)
 
--- Jerry Frost <frosty at customcpu.com> wrote:
> Wider feet would help for sure, just a matter of how wide. Looking at
> the 
> pic again I'd say they weren't too concerned with trip hazards anyway
> so 
> make them a couple feet to a side.
> 
> Spiking it down is even better and this is the POPE'S traveling cook
> kit. 
> Did he care what it weighs as long as the food was good?  He traveled
> with a 
> small army including I assume at least one blacksmith so losing a
> spike 
> wouldn't be an issue either.
> 
> There's another thing about the pic; the lack of a cross tie between
> the "A" 
> frame legs. Without a cross tie or spiking it down it would be
> entirely too 
> easy for any single leg to kick out on hard ground collapsing the
> whole 
> cookin match.
> 
> You just have to take these things with a grain of salt. The artists
> making 
> the woodcuts probably knew very little about how things worked. For
> example 
> the stand with the cookpot in the foreground has all four legs in
> view. The 
> back legs are skewed around so you can see the kabob hangers. If we
> took 
> this woodcut literally and made the pot rack as represented it'd just
> fall 
> over backwards.
> 
> One final point. We knew people made these things and they worked. We
> know 
> how much variation people put into their work now, even those taught
> by the 
> same person. Keeping that in mind there's nothing wrong with looking
> these 
> historic pictures over then tweeking them so they'll actually work.
> It's not 
> like I'm suggesting a computer controlled, electric over hydraulic,
> self 
> leveling system. <grin>
> 
> Frosty (who thinks coherency is over rated)
> ------------------------
> If it ain't forged
> it ain't real.
> Wrought iron is.
> The FrostWorks
> 
> Meadow Lakes, AK.
> 
> From: "Phlip" <phlip at 99main.com>
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Lessee if I can type this one like a coherent human being ;-)
> >
> > One of the things Rob and I were discussing was that he thinks that
> what
> > isn't shown is holes in the feet to insert pegs to stabilize the
> feet. I 
> > was
> > wondering if they might have step pegs, like we put on torch
> holders and 
> > the
> > like- he felt that step pegs wouldn't be versatile enough- I feel
> that
> > assorted pins, different sizes for different types of ground, like
> he was
> > suggesting, would mean more stuff to haul around and get lost.
> Another
> > option might be wooden pegs, which are fairly easy to replace, but
> would
> > mean the holes would hafta be pretty large, AND would be something
> else to
> > trip over- not something you want by a fire you're heating hot
> liquids on.
> >
> > Still looking at it and thinking about it... Don't think wider feet
> would 
> > do
> > much of a job, either.
> >
> > Saint Phlip,
> > CoD
> >
> 
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