[TheForge] on death and dying.OT

[Grover Richardson]

Well, I just happened to go over to the brother's house last night.  Got
some facts and figures.

His leg braces are $3,000.00 per pair.  And insurance does not cover them.
They are fiberglass reinforced plastic and made to fit.
His wheel chair is $4,000.00, and was made to fit him.  A "transfer wheel
chair," the generic type, he says goes for about 1 k.

A powered wheel chair is about $25,000.00

He recently bought a wheel chair accessable van conversion.  It ran on the
order of $25,000.00, and it was used.

Also standing in a harness, just hanging there, is right out<G>.

However, things can be made to work, it ain't all bad.  Just expensive,
unless you are a do-it yourselfer.  We've been reworking the bathrooms at
his home, and the floors.  Built a place to store food that he can access
easily.  Soon, working on the kitchen cabinets.  Ahhh.  I love the sound of
a saw, and sawdust in the nostrils<G>.





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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Silver
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [TheForge] on death and dying.OT


Inspired by Sci-Fi stories I've thought about some sort of base with enough 
mass that would allow the user to basically be standing. The main problem 
is that the massive base is at odds with most ideas of making the frame 
lightweight enough for most efficient use of motive energy.

Even something like the ergonomic stools I used to see in the '90's where 
the user is kneeling with the butt a bit higher might be an improvement.

Aaron

At 04:25 PM 1/11/2005, you wrote:
>Ah ah!  Never nay-say while I'm brainstorming.  It's against the rules.
>
>If you sat down all your life, you'd feel awkward and unbalanced 
>standing up.  I've had knee problems and know whereof I speak.
>
>The key here it to come up with a walking apparatus than makes a person 
>feel stable.  I do not believe this would cost a fortune.  Maybe about 
>as much as a powered wheelchair for a paraplegic.
>
>Bruce
>NJ
>
> >>> grover.richardson at gtri.gatech.edu 1/11/2005 3:55:37 PM >>>
>Balancing is a delicate thing.  You can be top heavy. And things like 
>that are extremely expensive.
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:47 PM
>To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
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>
>
>I think it would be damned dangerous, especially for paraplegics with 
>little feeling below the waste.  "Where'd that cut-off go?  Hmmm, I 
>think I smell
>meat cooking..."
>
>What I don't comprehend is why "the handicapped" have to be kept in a 
>seated position.  Why not a stand-up ambulatory apparatus?  I'm 
>thinking of those
>little walking toys that lean back and forth while they move the legs
>forward, alternately.  Adapt that to human-size.  "Seat" the patient in
>a
>breeches-bouy-like contrivance.
>
>Bruce
>NJ
>
> >>> osan at netlabs.net 1/11/2005 9:40:56 AM >>>
>I have no expeorience with this, but thinking on it, on ething that 
>seems to stand out immediately would the advantage of having an anvil 
>that would sit near or even over the lap.\. or in some orientation that
>
>would not force the chairbound smith to have to bend forward or to the
>
>side in any excessive fashion in order to hammer.  What do you all 
>think of this?
>
>Jim Pigott wrote:
> > The Mississippi Forge Council has a new member, wheel chair
>confined,
>that got
> > into the fire for the first time this past weekend. The way he kept
>looking at
> > his new fire poker made the effort to make this happen totally worth
>it. Our
> > group is designing a forge, anvil and vise combination for him. Does
>anyone
> > have any experience with this type of situation? Care to share
>suggestions,
> > ideas.
> > Thanks, when I learn how to post a picture of him, his smile and
>poker I will.
> >
> > Jim Pigott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of magichammer
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:26 PM
> > To: terry l. ridder; Sponsored by ABANA
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] on death and dying.
> >
> > I suggest that you set it up with your local blacksmiths group /
>abana
> > chapter.
> > dave m
> >
> > terry l. ridder wrote:
> >
> >
> >>hello;
> >>
> >>this is related to blacksmithing in that i am attempting to draw up
>a
> >>specific clause for a codicil. i want to make it clear that any and
>all
> >>of my blacksmithing tools, the miller 185 mig welder, the
>oxy-acetylene
> >>torch and tanks, the propane tanks, and the propane forge. be given
>to a
> >>person with one or more physical challenges and is just starting out
>in
> >>blacksmithing.
> >>
> >>my question is how do i specify the following:
> >>
> >>0) the person or persons who make the decision as to who should
>receive
> >>   the above items?
> >>
> >>1) provide for an announcement that persons who meet the my criteria
> >>   should make the appropriate application to the person/persons 
> >>determined
> >>   in item 0 above?
> >>
> >>it is obvious that neither the lawyers  or the family have the
>knowledge
> >>or the ability to determine who would benefit the most from
>receiving
> >>the above mentioned tools.
> >>
> >>suggestions and comments welcomed.
> >>
> >
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