[TheForge] OT, but I Just have to ask...you ask, I rant

[Dave Mudge]

I don't disagree with anyone's opinion, but can y'all rant about metal
instead of national politics? You might enjoy www.infowars.com 

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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Fels And Phoebe
Palmer
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT, but I Just have to ask...you ask, I rant

If you will recall, shortly after 9-11 Bin Laden gave a speech that 
detailed what he'd intended and what he hoped to achieve. This 
administration appears to have followed it as if it were a script and 
rendered Osama 's terrorist action entirely successful.
We have pissed off most of the uninvolved Moslem world. We are Osama's 
best recruter by far.
He has us mired down in  the fruits of  paranoia.
We have lost more liberty to a few thousand  fanatics that we had to 
give up to deal with generations of whole nations full of scheming commies.
Going on a cross country flight, i watched them search and question my 
87 year old father for half an hour...inaine.
Any one of us could take down an airliner or burn down a highrise with 
available tools and materials by any of a dozen methods. Our borders are 
almost entirely unguarded....it would be easy to land a nuke in any of 
several thousand places on the west coast alone, then send it by truck.
It's not possible to have a free society and a perfectly secure one at 
the same time.
Sure wish we'd grow up some.............wheeeew, I feel lighter now     
...Pete f

The Millers wrote:

> Andy,
> It is sweeping the country. It is as if the terrorists have won.
>
> They have successfully altered our way of life for good. They don;t 
> have to attack the US directly ever again and we will still be on pins 
> and needles.
>
> Ray
> Cincinnati
>
> On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 08:47  PM, Andrew Vida wrote:
>
>> What in the hellacious flames of eternal damnation is this country 
>> coming to?
>>
>> I bought a proportional divider on ebay.  Seller mails to me, I get 
>> notice that it's at the PO.  I go to pick up.  They ask for ID, I 
>> show them my AZ license.  "no good, it doesn't show that you live at 
>> the address".  I show my NJ license... oops, has Mom's house as the 
>> address.  I knew my CA license wouldn't work by that time.  I go 
>> home, get the only piece of mail that connects me to Jersey City.  
>> Not good enough.
>>
>> Honest to God, it was ridiculous beyond any forgiveness.  I never had 
>> to do this in Vancouver.  I showed up, gave the slip, got package, 
>> went on my way.
>>
>> Is it just the paranoid cowards that run the show in NY/NJ, or is 
>> this nonsense sweeping the nation?
>>
>> I'm disgusted.  Reasonable precautions against "terrorism" is one 
>> thing, but this is not only beyond the pale, it's no longer even in 
>> the known universe.  Welcome to Planet Bizarro.
>>
>> Oy.
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