[TheForge] Nazel 4b

[gblacksmith]

Pete:  I have witnessed the same thing with the Chinese hammers.  An 
associate recently bought one of the 165s and had to put in his home grown 
lube oil system, as the factory unit did not lube the machine properly. 
Even with the new oiler, the hammer makes a lot of chirping sounds that 
suggest to me issues with the oil control rings....YIKES....its a $10,000.00 
hammer.  I think I might go with a Sahinler....   Do you have any knowledge 
of these?  Grant
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Nazel 4b


> Justin: my friend Helmut bought a striker recently and had to spend about 
> 9 months on it before it sort-of worked OK..He got some support, but not 
> what I'd be at all happy with....Pete F
>
> Justin Fellenz wrote:
>> Ries,
>>
>>>Hey Justin- I only have an 88lb hammer- a nazel 4 B is something like
>>>a 400lb hammer, able to work 7" square material.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, it's probably a bit much. I was thinking of offering 2k, but even
>> that with rigging and installation is probably not worth it. I admit, I
>> do have a thing for huge old chunks of iron, but I hardly have Mr.
>> Leno's resources. I have (had) more or less decided on an 88lb Striker,
>> but then tis came along.
>>>Thats not buying a tool- thats making a lifelong committment.
>>
>>
>> Well said. I always figure tools are for life, but you can overdo it.
>>
>>
>>>Of course, my friend George Rolstad has something like 5 hammers in this 
>>>size range, including one at least twice this big. But none of
>>>em have been running in 10 years or so, and not destined to do so any
>>>time soon- George is more of a collector, with the eventual intention of 
>>>getting his shop running before he dies.
>>
>>
>> Yeah. I can see that approach, I guess. I have a friend who does the
>> same thing. He has 16 or so anvils in pristine shape from 350-700
>> pounds and doesn't own a forge. They'll never see a piece of hot iron
>> again, and that's fine with him. Not really my style--I actually get
>> groceries and whatnote in my unimog, same as a pickup truck. I have a
>> lot of old tools, some of which are dolar for dollar not as efficient
>> as a newer version, but I put up with their ideosyncracies because I
>> like old iron. It's a balance.
>>>but if your goal is actually to forge parts,
>>
>> you probably ought to look at smaller hammers.
>>
>> It is. I'm starting down the road you seem to be well along, a kid on
>> the way and a desire to do metal art for a living. We'll see if I have
>> the talent. So a more reasonable hammer is, well, more reasonable.
>>
>> Are you going to the Seattle Abana conference?
>>
>> J
>>
>>
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