[TheForge] Tin on Woodwright's shop

Darrell darrell at machinemaster.com
Sat Oct 9 21:13:12 EDT 2004 

Is this a web link that can be watched? Or is your computer in front of the
TV?
Darrell

http://www.machinemaster.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Frost" <frosty at customcpu.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:28 PM
Subject: [TheForge] Tin on Woodwright's shop


> I'm sitting at my computer this morning enjoying an energetic and VERY
> cheerful young gal name of Anne Pederson making a tin teapot(?) on the
> Woodwright's shop.
>
> It was very cool watching the processes as practiced by a master. (as
> opposed to how I do em. <grin>)
>
> Did you see this episode Dave?
>
> Also today there is going to be a brief demo of metal spinning on "The New
> Yankee Workshop."
>
> Frosty
> ------------------------
> If it ain't forged
> it ain't real.
> Wrought iron is.
> The FrostWorks
>
> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Interchangeable LG dies
>
>
> > Hi Walt,  Spring dies are nice and easy to slip in and out......no
> doubting
> > that.
> >
> > I find the lower bolt on dies nice for making a weld up, forged and
> drilled,
> > or machined die that is one sided, like if you want to make collars and
> > drive a piece of stock into a half rounded swage to create that "D"
shape
> > for a collar of that type.  When you want to expand the radius of the
> lower
> > die to something greater (like a rail cap), that can be fastened in as
> well.
> > Clapper dies tend to jounce around on certain items.....like long runs
and
> > don't have the accuracy of fixed dies running opposite of each other.
Two
> > handed sterring of the material is nice as well.
> >
> > Now picture if you want to run a fuller across from a flat die to make a
> > foot merely by turning your piece.  If you have a few to do........you
use
> a
> > hand held tool for doing them.......it you've got lots to do, you could
> make
> > the dies hold the tool and you can rotate your stock with two hands - to
> get
> > the results....... like lets say You've got to make 200 parts for a
> railing,
> > then the dies make sense to put something together for that application.
> >
> > Spring swages also have the added disadvantage when working on thick or
> wide
> > stock of things not staying centered.  When you run dies that have a
five
> > inch opening.......that's a lot more controled operation thru out the
> total
> > distance instead of having a spring swage "pinch" material to one side.
> >
> > Also Consider an element where you would make long cattail like
> > leaves......one could run a V die down the middle for the center vien,
> then
> > you could run a "furling" die across from the V to further shape the
> > material.   If you started a two step process with the lower die, got
what
> > you wanted, then added the top die to make it more pronounced and add
more
> > shape to it (using the lower die as a timing/alignment/locator die).
> >
> > If your trying to shape something with multiple indentations, spring
> swages
> > tend to shake rattle and roll thru something like that due to the
> resistance
> > of the material changing direction.  If you have two fixed dies opposing
> > each other to do a process like that your not repairing tools or dealing
> > with fighting that resistance movement. As an example - use a taper
going
> > into a ball in mid material, then another taper leaving the ball -
that's
> a
> > good example of what I'm talking about.  You just rotate the stock in
the
> > die to give that baulister configuration set up within the hammer.  For
> > doing 10 you'd get away with a spring swage.......for 100+ you might
make
> up
> > a die to accomplish this.
> >
> > These bolt on dies are nice for textureing as well..........and
sometimes
> > you want to texture two sides of something.......this is another case of
> > where they excel.......your not wrecking side one when doing side two.
> >
> > I've also make up little three step dies to do three different
procedures
> in
> > one heat - fuller, flatten, indentation of a ball for floral button.
> Things
> > like this just make it simple to make a bolt on flat to do the job then
> keep
> > it or toss it when done.  Again, you could use low profile hand held
> tools,
> > but if it's multiples, it saves heat to hit 1, 2, 3 instead of changing
> > tools.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walter L. Mullett" <wmullett at bright.net>
> > To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:15 AM
> > Subject: [TheForge] Interchangeable LG dies
> >
> >
> > > I looked again at the hammer blow article to see if there was anything
I
> > > missed in it.  I can see how a pair of interchangeable dies would work
> for
> > > flat and drawing dies but I would think it would be hard to align them
> for
> > > more complicated operations.  I just don't see how you can align them
> > > properly.  Matt's article suggests that he uses them for many
operations
> > but
> > > the only examples shown are fullering dies.
> > >
> > > The interchangeable bottom die looks to be a great idea.   But if you
> need
> > a
> > > complicated, two part die, I would think a clapper bolted in the
bottom
> > > would be better.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Walt
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Schade <schade at acegroup.cc>
> > > To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > > Date: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] ABANA Election Results
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:39 AM, Ralph Sproul wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Bob,  At first Sid didn't offer the top dies as they were to
> small.
> > > >>  I
> > > >> think the top die is the fellow who wrote the articles doing?
> > > >> ...........or
> > > >> did you find the top dies from Sid also listed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Ralph
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Ralph,
> > > >
> > > >According to the Hammers Blow article, Matt Waldrop had  the bottom
> > > >dovetail (from Sid)
> > > >and asked Sid to make him a matching top. As you said the top
dovetail
> > > >is smaller than
> > > >the bottom but Sid made the top base the same size as the bottom
> > > >(except for the
> > > >dovetail of course). Hole spacing is the same. It must have worked
for
> > > >Matt. He is
> > > >very enthusiastic about being able to make matching dies easily.
> > > >
> > > >Sid must have decided that if it worked for Matt he would offer it in
> > > >his sheet.
> > > >
> > > >By the way the price I mentioned is for a LG 25lb.
> > > >
> > > >If I misread any of this I hope someone who has the Hammers Blow will
> > > >correct this.
> > > >
> > > >Bob
> > > >
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