[TheForge] Tin on Woodwright's shop

Sat Oct 9 15:28:50 EDT 2004

I'm sitting at my computer this morning enjoying an energetic and VERY
cheerful young gal name of Anne Pederson making a tin teapot(?) on the
Woodwright's shop.

It was very cool watching the processes as practiced by a master. (as
opposed to how I do em. <grin>)

Did you see this episode Dave?

Also today there is going to be a brief demo of metal spinning on "The New
Yankee Workshop."

Frosty
------------------------
If it ain't forged
it ain't real.
Wrought iron is.
The FrostWorks

Meadow Lakes, AK.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Interchangeable LG dies

> Hi Walt,  Spring dies are nice and easy to slip in and out......no
doubting
> that.
>
> I find the lower bolt on dies nice for making a weld up, forged and
drilled,
> or machined die that is one sided, like if you want to make collars and
> drive a piece of stock into a half rounded swage to create that "D" shape
> for a collar of that type.  When you want to expand the radius of the
lower
> die to something greater (like a rail cap), that can be fastened in as
well.
> Clapper dies tend to jounce around on certain items.....like long runs and
> don't have the accuracy of fixed dies running opposite of each other.  Two
> handed sterring of the material is nice as well.
>
> Now picture if you want to run a fuller across from a flat die to make a
> foot merely by turning your piece.  If you have a few to do........you use
a
> hand held tool for doing them.......it you've got lots to do, you could
make
> the dies hold the tool and you can rotate your stock with two hands - to
get
> the results....... like lets say You've got to make 200 parts for a
railing,
> then the dies make sense to put something together for that application.
>
> Spring swages also have the added disadvantage when working on thick or
wide
> stock of things not staying centered.  When you run dies that have a five
> inch opening.......that's a lot more controled operation thru out the
total
> distance instead of having a spring swage "pinch" material to one side.
>
> Also Consider an element where you would make long cattail like
> leaves......one could run a V die down the middle for the center vien,
then
> you could run a "furling" die across from the V to further shape the
> material.   If you started a two step process with the lower die, got what
> you wanted, then added the top die to make it more pronounced and add more
> shape to it (using the lower die as a timing/alignment/locator die).
>
> If your trying to shape something with multiple indentations, spring
swages
> tend to shake rattle and roll thru something like that due to the
resistance
> of the material changing direction.  If you have two fixed dies opposing
> each other to do a process like that your not repairing tools or dealing
> with fighting that resistance movement. As an example - use a taper going
> into a ball in mid material, then another taper leaving the ball - that's
a
> good example of what I'm talking about.  You just rotate the stock in the
> die to give that baulister configuration set up within the hammer.  For
> doing 10 you'd get away with a spring swage.......for 100+ you might make
up
> a die to accomplish this.
>
> These bolt on dies are nice for textureing as well..........and sometimes
> you want to texture two sides of something.......this is another case of
> where they excel.......your not wrecking side one when doing side two.
>
> I've also make up little three step dies to do three different procedures
in
> one heat - fuller, flatten, indentation of a ball for floral button.
Things
> like this just make it simple to make a bolt on flat to do the job then
keep
> it or toss it when done.  Again, you could use low profile hand held
tools,
> but if it's multiples, it saves heat to hit 1, 2, 3 instead of changing
> tools.
>
> Ralph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter L. Mullett" <wmullett at bright.net>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:15 AM
> Subject: [TheForge] Interchangeable LG dies
>
>
> > I looked again at the hammer blow article to see if there was anything I
> > missed in it.  I can see how a pair of interchangeable dies would work
for
> > flat and drawing dies but I would think it would be hard to align them
for
> > more complicated operations.  I just don't see how you can align them
> > properly.  Matt's article suggests that he uses them for many operations
> but
> > the only examples shown are fullering dies.
> >
> > The interchangeable bottom die looks to be a great idea.   But if you
need
> a
> > complicated, two part die, I would think a clapper bolted in the bottom
> > would be better.
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Schade <schade at acegroup.cc>
> > To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] ABANA Election Results
> >
> >
> > >
> > >On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:39 AM, Ralph Sproul wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Bob,  At first Sid didn't offer the top dies as they were to
small.
> > >>  I
> > >> think the top die is the fellow who wrote the articles doing?
> > >> ...........or
> > >> did you find the top dies from Sid also listed?
> > >>
> > >> Ralph
> > >>
> > >
> > >Ralph,
> > >
> > >According to the Hammers Blow article, Matt Waldrop had  the bottom
> > >dovetail (from Sid)
> > >and asked Sid to make him a matching top. As you said the top dovetail
> > >is smaller than
> > >the bottom but Sid made the top base the same size as the bottom
> > >(except for the
> > >dovetail of course). Hole spacing is the same. It must have worked for
> > >Matt. He is
> > >very enthusiastic about being able to make matching dies easily.
> > >
> > >Sid must have decided that if it worked for Matt he would offer it in
> > >his sheet.
> > >
> > >By the way the price I mentioned is for a LG 25lb.
> > >
> > >If I misread any of this I hope someone who has the Hammers Blow will
> > >correct this.
> > >
> > >Bob
> > >
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