[TheForge] Propane supply problem

[terry l. ridder]

hello;

ah, yes, the infamous 'the authority having juridiction' phrase strikes
again.
there has always been much debate about who that really is and nfpa does
not help any with the following explanation:

<begin quote>
authority having jurisdiction. the organization, office or individual
responsible for 'approving' equipment, an installation or a procedure.

note: the phrase "authority having jurisdiction" is used in the code in
a broad manner since jurisdictions and "approval" agencies vary as do
their responsibilites. where public safety is primary, the "authority
having jurisdiction" may be federal, state, local, or other regional
department or individual such as fire chief, fire marshal, chief of fire
prevention bureau, labor department, health department, building
offical, electrical inspector, or others having statutory authority. for
insurance purposes, an insurance company representive may be the
"authority having jurisdiction". in many circumstances the property
owner or his delegated agent assumes the role of the "authority having
jurisdiction"; at government installations, the commanding officer or
departmental offical may be the "authority having jurisdiction." 
<end   quote>

notice the use of "may be". when i put my piping system in several years
ago i maintained that i was the "authority having jurisdiction" by
virtue of being the property owner. no one challenged that position once
it was pointed out that npfa 58 was incorporated verbatum into the
local, county, and state regulations, ordinances, etc. 

so in this case with marc, he is the "authority having jurisdiction", by
virtue of being the property owner.

if it becomes a pissing contest just refer them to the nfpa definition
or have your lawyer/attorney explain it to them.

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Walter L. Mullett wrote:

walter> I'm not familiar with the code but I did note that there is a very big "AND"
walter> in what Terry wrote.  It takes one or more of the conditions noted "AND" the
walter> approval of the local jurisdiction.
walter> 
walter> That means you have to win over the regulatory official so I would suggest
walter> you ask him to "help" you find a way around your problem.
walter> 
walter> Good luck.
walter> 

<snip>

walter> >marc>
walter> >marc> >
walter> >marc> > also ask him for the specific chapter and paragraph he is going by.
walter> >marc>
walter> >marc> He mentioned 2.5.1.
walter> >marc>
walter> >
walter> >well he is correct there:
walter> >
walter> ><begin quote>
walter> >2.5 piping system operating pressure limitations
walter> >
walter> >2.5.1 maximum design operating pressure
walter> >the maximum design operating pressure for a piping system located inside
walter> >buildings shall not exceed 5 psig ( 34 kpa gauge ) unless approved by
walter> >the authority having juridiction and one or more of the following
walter> >conditions are met:
walter> >
walter> >(a) the piping system is welded. (<--- notice )
walter> >(b) the piping system is located in a ventilated chase or otherwise
walter> >enclosed for protection against accidental gas accumulation.
walter> >(c) the piping is located inside buildings or separate areas of
walter> >buildings used exclusively for:
walter> >    1. industrial processing or heating.
walter> >    2. research
walter> >    3. warehousing, or
walter> >    4. boiler or mechancial equipment rooms.
walter> >(d) the piping is a temporary installation for buildings under
walter> >construction.
walter> ><end   quote>
walter> >

<major snip>

-- 
terry l. ridder ><>