[TheForge] armour was (Re: OT rant (armor))

[GHS]

Terry, as all of this stuff has already been produced, I'll bet plans 
and specs up the yin yang already exist at the gov. level and would come 
from them.

Mike Graf

terry l. ridder wrote:

> hello;
> 
> having worked for various governmental agencies and departments in the
> past i have the following questions and comments.
> 
> what type to armour is being discussed?
>     a. mild steel plate.
>     b. ballastic plate.
>     c. depleted uranium plate.
>     d. other
> what is being armoured?
>     a. engine compartment.
>     b. passenger compartment.
>     c. doors and sides of the vehicle.
>     d. doors, sides, and roof of the vehicle.
>     e. fuel tank(s).
>     f. the floor of the vehicle.
>         0. if the floor of the vehicle would the brake, clutch, and gas
>            pedals need extensions.
>             a. who provides the extensions if needed.
> who would provide the necessary security of the required blueprints for
> the military vehicles and possible support vehicles for which armour is
> to be produced?
> who would calculate the maximum weight of the armour produced for a
> particular vehicle?
>     a. how will the weight of the armour alter the center-of-gravity of
>        the vehicle being armoured.
>     b. how will the additional weight of the armour effect the drive
>        train of the vehicle being armoured.
>     c. if the vehicle was not originally designed to be armoured or to
>        be used in the battlefield, what other modifications are required
>        and who would perform those modifications.
> who would provide the necessary security of the various distributed
> computer systems of the loose affiliations of shops?
> who would do the quality acceptance of the base materials?
> who would do the quality inspections of the armour produced?
> who would do the painting of the armour produced?
> who would perform the sample testing of the armour produced?
> where would the sample testing of the armour produced take place?
> who would supply the weapons used for sample testing of the armour
> produced?
> which weapons types would be used for sample testing of the armour
> produced?
>     a. small arms fire.
>     b. rocket propelled grenade.
>     c. improvised explosive devices.
>     d. claymore mines.
>     e. land mines.
>     f. mortar fire.
>     g. car bombs.
>         0. what size car bombs.
> who would provide the necessary security of the above weapons?
> who would do battlefield field damage inspections and assessments?
> who would manage the inventory tracking systems?
>     a. which base materials went to which shop?
>     b. which base materials were used to produce a particular piece of
>        armour.
>     b. which shop produced a particular piece of armour?
>     c. which military unit received a particular piece of armour?
> 
> comments;
> metal armour is only part of the problem.
> there is a need for ballistic glass.
> 
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Justin Fellenz wrote:
> 
> justin>
> justin> One mouth needs a lot of hands, not the other way around. Thanks Chris.
> justin> Basically, my thinking is that if I can say to someone, somewhere
> justin> (finding that person'll take some doing, but...) that there exists a
> justin> group of skilled smiths across the country who are willing and able to
> justin> build what needs to be built--a production force that can look to the
> justin> government like "an entity"--someone might see a need. As a small group
> justin> we can be more nimble and responsive than the enormous bureaucracies
> justin> that lie at the heart (if you'll forgive the inaccurate metaphor) of
> justin> huge companies. Productwise, I just kinds stole Reis's idea of making
> justin> armor for trucks. The shapes are pretty simple, a bend here and there,
> justin> a weld or two, a few holes for bolts. I'm thinking an armor kit that
> justin> you can box up and ship over to fit on a given truck. We'd need a truck
> justin> of a given type to make a blueprint that could be distributed to the
> justin> group. COuld be that certain shops have certain abilities and not
> justin> others--one with the material handling equipment to manage big pieces,
> justin> one with machining ability, one with an ironworker, one with TIG for
> justin> aluminum, maybe. Maybe everybody does whole pieces, or some of both.
> justin> But thats getting WAY ahead of where we are. Mostly, if a few of you
> justin> actually have the time and interest and facilities to participate, then
> justin> it's something I can try to shop. No point shaking the tree if there's
> justin> nothing behind the plan.
> justin> 
> justin> JRF 
> justin>
> 

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