[TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
Darrell
[email protected]
Tue Nov 18 22:35:00 2003
NOT to sell scrap. To get an anvil ;-)
Darrell
http://www.machinemaster.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David E. Smucker" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
> I see the ;-) so I'm not flaming you back, but how do you make money this
> way? The most you are going to get at the scrap yard is about 3 cents a
> pound, so a yard long piece will bring you about 4 bucks. You have to buy
> your O2 and fuel gas -- I don't think you will break even. Also how do
you
> explain all of these short lengths of rail to the scrap yard folks. They
> for sure will turn you in if they think scrap is being stolen. (Point in
> fact, I know of several case of stolen aluminum extrusion billet that some
> one tried to sell as scrap -- they spent jail time. In another case we
had
> scrap being hauled from one plant to another for melting -- some truckers
> got the idea of selling off part of their load -- they got caught because
> the scrap yards turned them in.) Now some funny stuff does go on in the
> scrap buying and selling world -- but it is a lot cleaner that Wall
Street.
>
> Dave Smucker
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
>
>
> > All you need is a cutting torch. Cut between the nails and it is no
> > problem. ;-)
> > Darrell
> >
> > http://www.machinemaster.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David E. Smucker" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
> >
> >
> > > I haven't look for scrap (taken out of service) rail for awhile so I
> don't
> > > know if it has become hard to come by or not. It used to be easy to
> find
> > > when I lived in the midwest. Mainline rail most of which is in the
> range
> > of
> > > 133 pound rail (133 pounds per yard) would not be easy to pull up and
> > handle
> > > by yourself. (or even with several others to help). 40 feet would be
> > close
> > > to a ton, tough to get in the back of the pickup.
> > >
> > > There remains a strong market for used rail, since in is used as feed
> > stock
> > > for making of "Tee" type steel fence posts. Still I would think you
> > could
> > > find it in most markets. It is one of the best scrap steels out there
> > > usefull for many things.
> > >
> > > Dave Smucker
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[email protected]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
> > >
> > >
> > > > I built a small power hammer some years ago from a piece of rail and
a
> > > > linear slide that I had. Unfortuneatley the slide was not up to the
> > > > task. The only caveat that I have for rail, is that it is not
easy
> to
> > > > scrounge, at least around here. I spent a lot of time looking when
I
> > > > first started years ago, trying to make the rail anvil everyone
> > > > inevitably gets steered to somehow. Most scrap yards said they
> would
> > > > not deal with rail, claiming federal regulations or some such. The
> > > > theory being that they couldn't accept or sell it since it would
> > > > encourage people to pull it up for the money. There was one yard
> that
> > > > did deal in it that everyone pointed me to. They were willing to
sell
> > > > it in 40 foot lengths only. So it may not be the best item if you
> are
> > > > looking to provide plans to the world. My experiences may be
> > > > unique. I know in the dozen or so years since then I have come
upon
> > > > many short lengths at estate sales and such and keep bringing them
> home,
> > > > so it is out there.
> > > >
> > > > Charles
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Freeman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Dave,
> > > > >Damned good idea. Thanks. That's exactly the kind of inspiration
I
> > > > >was looking for. Don't know why I didn't think of it myself!
> > (Probably
> > > > >because I was thinking "round or square or MAYBE octagonal"!)
> > > > >Bruce
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>[email protected] 11/18/2003 11:58:11 AM >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >Bruce,
> > > > >
> > > > >Don't know how you are thinking of guiding the ram but how about
> > > > >cutting
> > > > >(burning) the rail head from the required length of railroad rail.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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