[TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel

Tue Nov 18 19:15:03 2003

I see the ;-)  so I'm not flaming you back, but how do you make money this
way?  The most you are going to get at the scrap yard is about 3 cents a
pound, so a yard long piece will bring you about 4 bucks.  You have to buy
your O2 and fuel gas -- I don't think you will break even.  Also how do you
explain all of these short lengths of rail to the scrap yard folks.  They
for sure will turn you in if they think scrap is being stolen.  (Point in
fact, I know of several case of stolen aluminum extrusion billet that some
one tried to sell as scrap -- they spent jail time.  In another case we had
scrap being hauled from one plant to another for melting -- some truckers
got the idea of selling off part of their load -- they got caught because
the scrap yards turned them in.)  Now some funny stuff does go on in the
scrap buying and selling world -- but it is a lot cleaner that Wall Street.

Dave Smucker

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darrell" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel

> All you need is a cutting torch. Cut  between the nails and it is no
> problem. ;-)
> Darrell
>
> http://www.machinemaster.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David E. Smucker" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
>
>
> > I haven't look for scrap (taken out of service) rail for awhile so I
don't
> > know if it has become hard to come by or not.  It used to be easy to
find
> > when I lived in the midwest.  Mainline rail most of which is in the
range
> of
> > 133 pound rail (133 pounds per yard) would not be easy to pull up and
> handle
> > by yourself.  (or even with several others to help).  40 feet would be
> close
> > to a ton, tough to get in the back of the pickup.
> >
> > There remains a strong market for used rail, since in is used as feed
> stock
> > for making of  "Tee" type steel fence posts.  Still I would think you
> could
> > find it in most markets.  It is one of the best scrap steels out there
> > usefull for many things.
> >
> > Dave Smucker
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Suggestions needed for scroungeable steel
> >
> >
> > > I built a small power hammer some years ago from a piece of rail and a
> > > linear slide that I had.  Unfortuneatley the slide was not up to the
> > > task.    The only caveat that I have for rail, is that it is not easy
to
> > > scrounge, at least around here.  I spent a lot of time looking when I
> > > first started years ago, trying to make the rail anvil everyone
> > > inevitably gets steered to somehow.    Most scrap yards said they
would
> > > not deal with rail, claiming federal regulations or some such.  The
> > > theory being that they couldn't accept or sell it since it would
> > > encourage people to pull it up for the money.    There was one yard
that
> > > did deal in it that everyone pointed me to.  They were willing to sell
> > > it in 40 foot lengths only.   So it may not be the best item if you
are
> > > looking to  provide plans to the world.   My experiences may be
> > > unique.   I know in the dozen or so years since then I have come upon
> > > many short lengths at estate sales and such and keep bringing them
home,
> > > so it is out there.
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > Bruce Freeman wrote:
> > >
> > > >Dave,
> > > >Damned good idea.  Thanks.  That's exactly the kind of inspiration I
> > > >was looking for.  Don't know why I didn't think of it myself!
> (Probably
> > > >because I was thinking "round or square or MAYBE octagonal"!)
> > > >Bruce
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>>[email protected] 11/18/2003 11:58:11 AM >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > >Bruce,
> > > >
> > > >Don't know how you are thinking of guiding the ram but how about
> > > >cutting
> > > >(burning) the rail head from the required length of railroad rail.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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