[TheForge] ebay scam alert -- first hand experience

Wed May 14 21:56:01 2003

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KEN O'OUGHLIN wrote:

>I WONDER HOW FAR THIS WUOLD GO IF YOU WERE ALL LOOKING IN EACH OTHERS EY=
ES, THIS MEDIUM OF COMMUNICATION TURNS LAMBS INTO LIONS, AND DOVES INTO B=
UZZARDS.
>(AN OBSERVATION FROM A BOY RAISED IN THE PROJECTS)
> =20
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer [mailto:[email protected]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 09:12 AM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] ebay scam alert -- first hand experience
>>
>>Reynolds;
>>Tom Clark is a good  fellow and a very able smith. No doubt it is worth=
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>>paying rapt attention to anything he has to say about smithing. Languag=
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>>does not seem to be his area of specialty. Not advocating emulation of =

>>profane ways..just toleration of them and other equally irritating=20
>>behaviors ( like, say, emoticons!).
>>I'm not saying you are prissy of course; But  rather objecting  to=20
>>unnecessary limitations on style in these discussioins. The loud louts =

>>are people too. Some of them are smart and valuable to our art. Most of=
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>>us are strong headed, self motivated, self made characters. Frankly, yo=
u=20
>>won't see me in church next sunday.
>>The idea here, as I see it, is that what we have in common is working=20
>>hot iron. Otherwise, we cover a wide swath of social and cultural=20
>>divergence. Under other circumstances, we might not get along all that =

>>well. We hold widely disparate political, social and religous views,=20
>>enough to easily chafe on each other. In order to function here, it=20
>>helps a whole lot to tolerate as wide a range of expression as we=20
>>possibly can. Style of expression is no more than that.
>>Where we might otherwise go head to head, we gotta just shrug most of=20
>>that irritating shit off; so we can get on with  conspiring to bother=20
>>chunks of metal.
>>My "rationale" was a tongue-in-cheek  tweak at the " it's traditional s=
o=20
>>it must be OK" posture many of us take.
>>What I was trying to express is that limiting our  participants to the =

>>well spoken and upright citizens amongst us is going to exclude  a fair=
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>>percentage of  metalworkers  from whom we could learn a lot. Those=20
>>strictures will exclude some of our most creative smiths because they=20
>>wouldn't " behave. =20
>>I'm uncomfortable imposing any limits that are less than absolutely=20
>>necessary.  Decorum is trivial when the cost is freedom.
>>Besides, the DELETE button is so "empowering".
>>        Pete
>>
>>Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>   =20
>>
>>>Pete:
>>>
>>>Tom Clark objected to Andy's gratuitous profanity. I happen to agree w=
ith Tom. Tom was not suggesting we speak such that Shirley Temple would a=
pprove, he just suggested this is not the place for trash talk. Take it s=
omewhere else.
>>>
>>>Your rationale for using profanity is pretty weak, however. By your lo=
gic, stealing is perfectly acceptable because it is an "ancient part" of =
our human history. Listen to what you are saying! You go on to say "rough=
 language has been also traditionally associated with blacksmithing." Yea=
h? Where did you get that idea? Some blacksmith tell you that? That is as=
 much a myth as truth. But, swarthy pirates seem more interesting than a =
civil haberdasher when Hollywood makes them out to swagger and swear. I h=
ave a journal of an 18th Century blacksmith that is colorful, eloquent an=
d descriptive without one word of profanity in 8 years of writing. So jus=
t because a few people in centuries past chose to show they were miscrean=
ts, doesn't mean we should all rush to emulate them. If we want to be lik=
e "them," why not fashion our behavior after a Pennsylvania Dutchman that=
 was both articulate with pen and artistic in ironworking. I'll take the =
high road; you go the low road if you think=20
>>>that makes you more of a craftsman. I'm not prissy as you suggest, I j=
ust learned there is an avenue to travel that doesn't require I wade thro=
ugh the muck with the nefarious knaves.
>>>
>>>Reynolds
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>>>
>>>     =20
>>>
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