[TheForge] ebay scam alert -- first hand experience

Wed May 14 12:12:01 2003

I WONDER HOW FAR THIS WUOLD GO IF YOU WERE ALL LOOKING IN EACH OTHERS EYE=
S, THIS MEDIUM OF COMMUNICATION TURNS LAMBS INTO LIONS, AND DOVES INTO BU=
ZZARDS.
(AN OBSERVATION FROM A BOY RAISED IN THE PROJECTS)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 09:12 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] ebay scam alert -- first hand experience
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>Reynolds;
>Tom Clark is a good  fellow and a very able smith. No doubt it is worth =

>paying rapt attention to anything he has to say about smithing. Language=
 
>does not seem to be his area of specialty. Not advocating emulation of 
>profane ways..just toleration of them and other equally irritating 
> behaviors ( like, say, emoticons!).
>I'm not saying you are prissy of course; But  rather objecting  to 
>unnecessary limitations on style in these discussioins. The loud louts 
>are people too. Some of them are smart and valuable to our art. Most of =

>us are strong headed, self motivated, self made characters. Frankly, you=
 
>won't see me in church next sunday.
>The idea here, as I see it, is that what we have in common is working 
>hot iron. Otherwise, we cover a wide swath of social and cultural 
> divergence. Under other circumstances, we might not get along all that =

>well. We hold widely disparate political, social and religous views, 
>enough to easily chafe on each other. In order to function here, it 
>helps a whole lot to tolerate as wide a range of expression as we 
>possibly can. Style of expression is no more than that.
>Where we might otherwise go head to head, we gotta just shrug most of 
>that irritating shit off; so we can get on with  conspiring to bother 
>chunks of metal.
>My "rationale" was a tongue-in-cheek  tweak at the " it's traditional so=
 
>it must be OK" posture many of us take.
>What I was trying to express is that limiting our  participants to the 
>well spoken and upright citizens amongst us is going to exclude  a fair =

>percentage of  metalworkers  from whom we could learn a lot. Those 
>strictures will exclude some of our most creative smiths because they 
>wouldn't " behave.  
>I'm uncomfortable imposing any limits that are less than absolutely 
>necessary.  Decorum is trivial when the cost is freedom.
>Besides, the DELETE button is so "empowering".
>         Pete
>
>Reynolds wrote:
>
>>
>>Pete:
>>
>>Tom Clark objected to Andy's gratuitous profanity. I happen to agree wi=
th Tom. Tom was not suggesting we speak such that Shirley Temple would ap=
prove, he just suggested this is not the place for trash talk. Take it so=
mewhere else.
>>
>>Your rationale for using profanity is pretty weak, however. By your log=
ic, stealing is perfectly acceptable because it is an "ancient part" of o=
ur human history. Listen to what you are saying! You go on to say "rough =
language has been also traditionally associated with blacksmithing." Yeah=
? Where did you get that idea? Some blacksmith tell you that? That is as =
much a myth as truth. But, swarthy pirates seem more interesting than a c=
ivil haberdasher when Hollywood makes them out to swagger and swear. I ha=
ve a journal of an 18th Century blacksmith that is colorful, eloquent and=
 descriptive without one word of profanity in 8 years of writing. So just=
 because a few people in centuries past chose to show they were miscreant=
s, doesn't mean we should all rush to emulate them. If we want to be like=
 "them," why not fashion our behavior after a Pennsylvania Dutchman that =
was both articulate with pen and artistic in ironworking. I'll take the h=
igh road; you go the low road if you think 
>> that makes you more of a craftsman. I'm not prissy as you suggest, I j=
ust learned there is an avenue to travel that doesn't require I wade thro=
ugh the muck with the nefarious knaves.
>>
>>Reynolds
>>  
>>
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